{"topic":{"id":12733,"title":"可悲的“智能”驾驶技术","slug":"topic","userId":4668,"categoryId":4,"createdAt":"2024-05-28 14:43:38.964391","bumpedAt":"2024-06-03 16:45:41.080161","views":463,"postsCount":15,"highestPostNumber":15,"likeCount":4,"closed":false,"pinned":false,"pinnedGlobally":false,"pinnedAt":null,"pinnedUntil":null,"isBanner":false,"excerpt":"https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1cU411Z7Dj https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1QZ421W7yP 之前以为现在的无人驾驶技术只是少数技术公司在少数路线上申请许可进行试验，没想到这种极度不成熟的无人/辅助驾驶技术竟然已经在小轿车上大范围地推广，甚至冠以“智”驾的称呼，是对开车人和其他交通参与者的极度不负责。看视频这些“蠢”驾技术连基本的开车常识都冇，例如：低速…","deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"isPrivate":false,"isMembersOnly":false,"category":{"id":4,"name":"谈笑风生","slug":"general","color":"25AAE2"},"author":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null},"realAuthor":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null},"tags":["self-driving"]},"posts":[{"id":34522,"postNumber":1,"raw":"https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1cU411Z7Dj\n\nhttps://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1QZ421W7yP\n\n之前以为现在的无人驾驶技术只是少数技术公司在少数路线上申请许可进行试验，没想到这种极度不成熟的无人/辅助驾驶技术竟然已经在小轿车上大范围地推广，甚至冠以“智”驾的称呼，是对开车人和其他交通参与者的极度不负责。看视频这些“蠢”驾技术连基本的开车常识都冇，例如：\n\n1. 低速下主动撞向路边行人\n2. 从**右**侧超车\n2. 没有红绿灯的路口转弯时不停车继续行驶（可能被直行车辆撞飞）\n\n我个人认为，不论 AI 发展到什么程度，在公共道路上，在任何时候都不应该由 AI 驾驶。有限的辅助驾驶规则也应该以紧急情况执行安全性措施（如对于鬼探头的紧急变道、紧急刹车），决不能以降低驾驶员的责任和压力为发展方向。","cooked":"

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1cU411Z7Dj

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1QZ421W7yP

之前以为现在的无人驾驶技术只是少数技术公司在少数路线上申请许可进行试验，没想到这种极度不成熟的无人/辅助驾驶技术竟然已经在小轿车上大范围地推广，甚至冠以“智”驾的称呼，是对开车人和其他交通参与者的极度不负责。看视频这些“蠢”驾技术连基本的开车常识都冇，例如：

低速下主动撞向路边行人
从右侧超车
没有红绿灯的路口转弯时不停车继续行驶（可能被直行车辆撞飞）

我个人认为，不论 AI 发展到什么程度，在公共道路上，在任何时候都不应该由 AI 驾驶。有限的辅助驾驶规则也应该以紧急情况执行安全性措施（如对于鬼探头的紧急变道、紧急刹车），决不能以降低驾驶员的责任和压力为发展方向。

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华为可以说是行业蝗虫了，以后买车有任何华为技术的直接 pass，例如丰田 2024 款凯美瑞

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这个确实挺搞笑的，一出问题就开摆喊“请立即接管” 🤣

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而且留给人的反应时间只有 1 秒钟不到 $\":sweat_smile_mouse:\"$ ，甚至可能是负的

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就目前这个技术水平而言，我觉得都不应该让算法驾驶然后出问题了再喊驾驶员接管，而是应该反过来，让驾驶员驾驶然后算法在检测出风险行为的时候加以提醒……

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而且留给人的反应时间只有 1 秒钟不到
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这也太危险了，有几个人能反应过来啊

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现阶段都只是辅助驾驶，要求就是手扶方向盘脚放刹车，随时观察路况。要防止车机抢方向盘，还得随时预备给方向盘施加力矩。宣传口径突然就变成自动驾驶了，然后开始宣传 0 接管。
\n大部分时候我都不喜欢开驾驶辅助，除非是高速大直道跟车，别的情况得随时预备他失效/识别错误/左右为难，感觉我变成驾校教练了，比自己开车还累

以上不针对 hw，只针对某家小厂，hw 没开过，但我觉得所有厂家都好的有限

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无所谓，热带风味 🙅‍♀️

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好像前段时间特斯拉有个全自动开始面向车主测试了，可能有人急了

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为啥急
\n现在看来 fsd 并不先进到哪去，而且我个人不信任纯视觉，现阶段还是喜欢带激光/毫米波雷达的方案

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无所谓，热带风味 🙅‍♀️

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主要是营销这块吧

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i drive @tension

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年月擦身过，暂且问，会更好吗？

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我也感觉是为了营销，国内不知道是不是因为很少能拿到从 0 到 1 的成就，总觉得特别害怕从 1 到 100 的脚步跟得慢了，甚至有点过度跟风的意味。

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你是瑞恩高斯林，那我又是谁

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妳系 tension

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年月擦身过，暂且问，会更好吗？

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說得好，獎勵一個華為手錶

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汽车作为普通人能接触的最有杀伤力的工具，就应当完全由驾驶人控制，“紧急情况下的安全性措施”也不应该有，因为为了确保驾驶人安全而采取非安全措施（撞人）的需求是客观存在的。

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