{"topic":{"id":14852,"title":"你未来的理想生活是什么样的","slug":"topic","userId":4668,"categoryId":4,"createdAt":"2025-07-02 04:52:18.387784","bumpedAt":"2025-07-06 14:47:47.808927","views":2509,"postsCount":270,"highestPostNumber":273,"likeCount":116,"closed":false,"pinned":false,"pinnedGlobally":false,"pinnedAt":null,"pinnedUntil":null,"isBanner":false,"excerpt":"你觉得你走在接近它的道路上了吗","deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"isPrivate":false,"isMembersOnly":false,"category":{"id":4,"name":"谈笑风生","slug":"general","color":"25AAE2"},"author":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null},"realAuthor":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null},"tags":[]},"posts":[{"id":59087,"postNumber":1,"raw":"你觉得你走在接近它的道路上了吗","cooked":"

你觉得你走在接近它的道路上了吗

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想买个小别墅，两层独栋，带车库和地下室，位置偏一点无所谓
\n地下室里面放服务器 😋
\n内存条和硬盘塞满，家里全屋 10G 有线，肯定得走光纤
\n全屋智能家居，楼上可以加个光伏发电
\n家门口得有个小花园，给外婆拿来养花花草草
\n再养条狗，养个猫
\n狗有点想养萨摩耶或者田园犬，猫只想养狸花
\n还想整个专门的房间拿来看电影，找个巨大的 OLED 电视、杜比全景声系统，墙面全吸音棉处理，然后再接上电脑和 PS，打游戏直接爽飞 😋

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ぜーんぶ弾けなーい！

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工作的话，不想 996，最好是那种只要我活干好了，你管我啥时候干的，干了多久
\n参与一个我真正觉得有价值、能打磨细节的项目，可能是一个开源工具，也可能是个和图像、建模、算法相关的创意活
\n但感觉这种只有可能在那种有稳定产出的小厂里面才能实现了

通常有自己的成熟产品，有稳定现金流；
技术团队不大但比较自由，不用天天填 KPI 和画饼；
如果老板懂技术或不瞎指挥，那就更好了；
没有大厂那么多流程、汇报、站队，反而能静下心做事

希望能找到个好老板抱抱大腿

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ぜーんぶ弾けなーい！

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目前参与的某个小厂的开发，其实有这种趋势
\n但是不知道产品能不能做起来 🥺
\n或者找个富婆也行啊，也算少走弯路了

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ぜーんぶ弾けなーい！

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归根到底还是没钱 🤣
\n有钱了到处玩

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ぜーんぶ弾けなーい！

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钱够用，家庭美满，孩子懂事，工作压力不大（不一定是喜欢的工作，但是钱够，强度不算高）
\n住房在那种新开发区（市中心与城郊之间）基本生活设施齐全，人没有多到堵车的地步
\n有休闲时间去干自己的乐子/体育爱好/亲子活动

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年月擦身过，暂且问，会更好吗？

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想过刘慈欣早年的那种生活，白天有一个稳定不需要 kpi 的工作维生，晚上读书写作。（螺丝钉和钢笔的二相性 $\":magic_wand_grin:\"$
\n或者在神秘小厂和志同道合的伙伴全职做独游

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此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。

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我也想去神秘小厂

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他不是在电厂上班嘛？
\n我有同学在华电学电气，他们辅导员让他们找点安静点的爱好，以后电厂值班的时候用得上 🤣

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ぜーんぶ弾けなーい！

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偏一点还好，电厂倒班最磨人

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此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。

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$\"image\"$
\n~~受不了了我要谴责昨天想出这个建议的門友了~~

总之能有一套千禧年美学的房子，然后塞各种小学作文里的想象作品
\n😡没上过班，有小厂要我就好了

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今天和同事聚餐的时候也在聊这个

可能我现在理想是感兴趣的工作内容和一定的名气，无论是论文或者博客或者技术报告什么的形式积攒下来，希望其他人谈论到某项技术的时候可以顺嘴提一句“某司某组的 z 一串好像在搞这个”。

好像还是太理想主义了

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曾经被谷歌的理想和待遇蛊惑，想做湾区大厂程序员或研究员，但自从想到字节程序员的每一分工资都来自对整整三代人的注意力剥夺、分化对立、欺骗包装、市场操纵，自己的劳动可能只会换来更多剥削，就觉得恶心地难以再对这个职业有一点兴趣。

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第二顺位是 FIRE，躺平拿时间做自己想做的事，我认为也很好，但难以与社会产生链接。冷知识，张益唐在 subway 打工按定义也可以算 FIRE

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住好房，开好车，娶个好妻子，生对好儿女，走上人生巅峰。

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我一直想要一个带地下室的……多层真没啥意义除非是能做挑高的。
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入职 onlyfans

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期待您的大作

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\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t鳳笑夢，post:20, topic:14852, username:emu_otori:\n\t\t\t\t\t\t

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活络油
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我一般会要求“不要中成药”
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入职 onlyfans≠成为 onlyfans 博主，一个是给公司干技术方面的活，一个是在 onlyfans 这个平台上自己出产优质内容。

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不知道活络油是啥，只是在模仿歌词

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新的理想生活是像导师一样做教职扶持学生。导师是一个非常风趣幽默的人，而且不计回报地给本科生提供了很多引导与资源，从学生的角度来讲他无疑是一个优秀的理想主义者。除了导师，我也遇到过很多好老师，可以说对我的影响很深，所以就像那个被军人救出废墟的男孩成为了军人一样，我想尝试着成为老师。
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虽然生活还没走到导师那一步，但初高中的班主任都对我有很大的正面影响，巧合的是她们都是数学老师。我某个社交平台上的 id 也是因为她们而起的。
\n但我不知道我能不能当好老师。教数学我算是有自信，中学考了一个相对可以的成绩，也给同学讲了很多题。但育人感觉很不一样，当班主任面对几十个学生是很难的事。我高中纯因为人际关系很痛苦，班里也有其他因为同学关系痛苦的人。我现在回想仅仅是我看到的那部分初高中时班里的人际矛盾冲突，依旧想不到任何解决的办法。
\n（或许导师很不一样，只是提到老师的一种有感而发）

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-02 17:04:35.777098","updatedAt":"2025-07-02 17:07:20.197226","replyToPostNumber":null,"replyCount":2,"likeCount":1,"wordCount":389,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"❤️","count":1,"users":[{"id":5905,"username":"PipaQinse233","name":"PipaQinse233"}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":7014,"username":"兴庆宫第一迷路幽灵","name":"post deleted by author","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/bb/0e/bb0ebbc98562fa3e00284e17f15383c53f688af071adf093639e69f313d610a1.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。","signatureCooked":"

此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。

\n"}},{"id":59212,"postNumber":27,"raw":"[quote=\"帖子已被作者删除，post:26, topic:14852, username:随风不逝\"]\n*纯因为人际关系*很痛苦，班里也有其他*因为同学关系*痛苦的人\n[/quote]\n\n仔细说说？我感觉高中学业和人际关系都非常好","cooked":"

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纯因为人际关系很痛苦，班里也有其他因为同学关系痛苦的人
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仔细说说？我感觉高中学业和人际关系都非常好

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（post deleted by author)
\n如果换我回去当老师我真不知道怎么处理这种情况🏳️如果当老师能只教课就好了

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-02 17:27:40.783327","updatedAt":"2025-09-29 18:12:41.228293","replyToPostNumber":27,"replyCount":4,"likeCount":1,"wordCount":39,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"hugging_face_exploding_head","count":1,"users":[{"id":5905,"username":"PipaQinse233","name":"PipaQinse233"}],"hasReacted":false},{"reaction":"❤️","count":1,"users":[{"id":5905,"username":"PipaQinse233","name":"PipaQinse233"}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":2,"publicVersion":2,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":7014,"username":"兴庆宫第一迷路幽灵","name":"post deleted by author","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/bb/0e/bb0ebbc98562fa3e00284e17f15383c53f688af071adf093639e69f313d610a1.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。","signatureCooked":"

此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。

\n"}},{"id":59216,"postNumber":29,"raw":"小崽子们就该狠狠抽一顿，你是老师就得当所有人面收拾 B，给 A 和 A 后座道歉，让全班知道什么的对的。","cooked":"

小崽子们就该狠狠抽一顿，你是老师就得当所有人面收拾 B，给 A 和 A 后座道歉，让全班知道什么的对的。

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-02 17:30:41.560418","updatedAt":"2025-07-02 17:30:41.560418","replyToPostNumber":28,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":46,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4148,"username":"sad-dharma-vipralopa","name":"Echo est ubi sum","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/fd/e3/fde3022e639c0b35239b5c831c0f8ea3600eceb69353bcc2fb5e795f79d789ca.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59217,"postNumber":30,"raw":"[quote=\"帖子已被作者删除，post:28, topic:14852, username:随风不逝\"]\n如果当老师能只教课就好了\n[/quote]\n\n我倒是觉得初中老师最不重要的事情就是教书 :pleading:\n感觉对于青少年而言，心理上的引导作用更重要\n我见过不少初中因为某些事情心理出了问题，没有纠正，结果最后出了大问题的同学 :melt:","cooked":"

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如果当老师能只教课就好了
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我倒是觉得初中老师最不重要的事情就是教书 🥺
\n感觉对于青少年而言，心理上的引导作用更重要
\n我见过不少初中因为某些事情心理出了问题，没有纠正，结果最后出了大问题的同学 🫠

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-02 17:31:44.610477","updatedAt":"2025-07-02 17:31:44.610477","replyToPostNumber":28,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":110,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":5151,"username":"Soyo34325","name":"Soyo34325","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/9d/e5/9de500d3afb55c0fe71e319832f2af75532222efe94bd3de9aea21f0f5c55707.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"ぜーんぶ弾けなーい！","signatureCooked":"

ぜーんぶ弾けなーい！

\n"}},{"id":59218,"postNumber":31,"raw":"因为我只会教课🏳️","cooked":"

因为我只会教课🏳️

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-02 17:32:12.697762","updatedAt":"2025-07-02 17:32:12.697762","replyToPostNumber":30,"replyCount":2,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":8,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":7014,"username":"兴庆宫第一迷路幽灵","name":"post deleted by author","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/bb/0e/bb0ebbc98562fa3e00284e17f15383c53f688af071adf093639e69f313d610a1.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。","signatureCooked":"

此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。

\n"}},{"id":59219,"postNumber":32,"raw":"当教师得有足够的威严和震慑力，你这性格迟早得被一届届畜生小鬼们骑到头上去\n\n能把持好的就两类教师，一类是老教师德高望重，啥事不掺和，下课就走人；一类是中年班主任，得学会变脸，变脸，变脸。","cooked":"

当教师得有足够的威严和震慑力，你这性格迟早得被一届届畜生小鬼们骑到头上去

能把持好的就两类教师，一类是老教师德高望重，啥事不掺和，下课就走人；一类是中年班主任，得学会变脸，变脸，变脸。

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-02 17:33:11.65241","updatedAt":"2025-07-02 17:36:41.48593","replyToPostNumber":null,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":1,"wordCount":91,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"❤️","count":1,"users":[{"id":5905,"username":"PipaQinse233","name":"PipaQinse233"}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4148,"username":"sad-dharma-vipralopa","name":"Echo est ubi sum","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/fd/e3/fde3022e639c0b35239b5c831c0f8ea3600eceb69353bcc2fb5e795f79d789ca.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59220,"postNumber":33,"raw":"所以我知道我当不成老师 :magic_wand_grin: 只是羡慕寒暑假寒暑假！ :loudly_crying_face:","cooked":"

所以我知道我当不成老师 $\":magic_wand_grin:\"$ 只是羡慕寒暑假寒暑假！ 😭

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-02 17:33:58.938908","updatedAt":"2025-07-02 17:33:58.938908","replyToPostNumber":32,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":1,"wordCount":24,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"❤️","count":1,"users":[{"id":5351,"username":"Xrystal-line","name":"羽流弦ノ迹"}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":7014,"username":"兴庆宫第一迷路幽灵","name":"post deleted by author","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/bb/0e/bb0ebbc98562fa3e00284e17f15383c53f688af071adf093639e69f313d610a1.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。","signatureCooked":"

此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。

\n"}},{"id":59221,"postNumber":34,"raw":"当老师有点太安逸了 :melt:\n能进公立还好，之前认识一个去私立的历史老师，因为各种原因被裁，三十多岁又重新找工作\n老师这个行业除了教书真的一点生存力都莫得","cooked":"

当老师有点太安逸了 🫠
\n能进公立还好，之前认识一个去私立的历史老师，因为各种原因被裁，三十多岁又重新找工作
\n老师这个行业除了教书真的一点生存力都莫得

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-02 17:34:14.272647","updatedAt":"2025-07-02 17:34:14.272647","replyToPostNumber":31,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":71,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":5151,"username":"Soyo34325","name":"Soyo34325","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/9d/e5/9de500d3afb55c0fe71e319832f2af75532222efe94bd3de9aea21f0f5c55707.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"ぜーんぶ弾けなーい！","signatureCooked":"

ぜーんぶ弾けなーい！

\n"}},{"id":59222,"postNumber":35,"raw":"一个具体的事件是比较好解决的，更难解决的是 (post deleted by author)","cooked":"

一个具体的事件是比较好解决的，更难解决的是 (post deleted by author)

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-02 17:40:38.772766","updatedAt":"2025-09-29 18:13:04.925935","replyToPostNumber":29,"replyCount":2,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":25,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":2,"publicVersion":2,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":7014,"username":"兴庆宫第一迷路幽灵","name":"post deleted by author","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/bb/0e/bb0ebbc98562fa3e00284e17f15383c53f688af071adf093639e69f313d610a1.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。","signatureCooked":"

此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。

\n"}},{"id":59223,"postNumber":36,"raw":"不仅靠威慑养成不欺人的习惯，也要让学生理智上接受正确的观念。\n平时也多讲讲《杀死一只知更鸟》之类的书，不能因为别人不一样就去骚扰欺负，“杀死一只知更鸟就是犯罪”","cooked":"

不仅靠威慑养成不欺人的习惯，也要让学生理智上接受正确的观念。
\n平时也多讲讲《杀死一只知更鸟》之类的书，不能因为别人不一样就去骚扰欺负，“杀死一只知更鸟就是犯罪”

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-02 17:44:52.446174","updatedAt":"2025-07-02 17:45:42.410605","replyToPostNumber":35,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":1,"wordCount":78,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"❤️","count":1,"users":[{"id":5905,"username":"PipaQinse233","name":"PipaQinse233"}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4148,"username":"sad-dharma-vipralopa","name":"Echo est ubi sum","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/fd/e3/fde3022e639c0b35239b5c831c0f8ea3600eceb69353bcc2fb5e795f79d789ca.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59224,"postNumber":37,"raw":"可能我习惯了冷漠，遇到过类似的事情，不参与也意识到自己解决不了，也没什么难受的","cooked":"

可能我习惯了冷漠，遇到过类似的事情，不参与也意识到自己解决不了，也没什么难受的

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-02 17:48:46.579184","updatedAt":"2025-07-02 17:48:46.579184","replyToPostNumber":35,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":39,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59226,"postNumber":39,"raw":"被欺负有什么不好释怀的，恶人自有恶人磨，相信自己的理智，平静收集好一切证据，就是永远悬在施恶者头上的达摩克利斯剑，时而给对方露两手，他睡不好觉的","cooked":"

被欺负有什么不好释怀的，恶人自有恶人磨，相信自己的理智，平静收集好一切证据，就是永远悬在施恶者头上的达摩克利斯剑，时而给对方露两手，他睡不好觉的

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-02 18:02:53.118825","updatedAt":"2025-07-02 18:02:53.118825","replyToPostNumber":38,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":72,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59227,"postNumber":40,"raw":"[quote=\"shared_user, post:39, topic:14852, username:anonymous_coward\"]\n相信自己的理智\n[/quote]\n\n是的，应当永远爱我主贝伦，以避免陷入泥潭打滚的命运。","cooked":"

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相信自己的理智
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是的，应当永远爱我主贝伦，以避免陷入泥潭打滚的命运。

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-02 18:06:05.142106","updatedAt":"2025-07-02 18:06:05.142106","replyToPostNumber":39,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":1,"wordCount":38,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"hugging_face_exploding_head","count":1,"users":[{"id":7014,"username":"兴庆宫第一迷路幽灵","name":"post deleted by author"}],"hasReacted":false},{"reaction":"❤️","count":1,"users":[{"id":7014,"username":"兴庆宫第一迷路幽灵","name":"post deleted by author"}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4148,"username":"sad-dharma-vipralopa","name":"Echo est ubi sum","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/fd/e3/fde3022e639c0b35239b5c831c0f8ea3600eceb69353bcc2fb5e795f79d789ca.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59230,"postNumber":41,"raw":"暂时只能想到钱 :moneybag:\n肯定还有些别的追求，明天再想","cooked":"

暂时只能想到钱 💰️
\n肯定还有些别的追求，明天再想

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-02 20:00:06.211455","updatedAt":"2025-07-02 20:00:30.65223","replyToPostNumber":null,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":22,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":1628,"username":"Lorange","name":"主治医师李大华","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/f8/ec/f8ecbeb887c4a1311f4f0bf05928476c7b3f632d15bb2b24e782baf2ba6f0d71.avif","admin":false,"moderator":true,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59231,"postNumber":42,"raw":"哎，我也觉得做中学阶段的老师其实很难，要竭力引导一屋子叛逆青少年，还要看着他们被优绩主义压力摧残。大学教职一般最多一门课，和大部分学生的互动少很多，面对的学生更成熟，只要培养自己筛选出的人就行了","cooked":"

哎，我也觉得做中学阶段的老师其实很难，要竭力引导一屋子叛逆青少年，还要看着他们被优绩主义压力摧残。大学教职一般最多一门课，和大部分学生的互动少很多，面对的学生更成熟，只要培养自己筛选出的人就行了

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-02 22:07:10.430511","updatedAt":"2025-07-02 22:07:10.430511","replyToPostNumber":26,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":97,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":601,"username":"m0rsun","name":null,"avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/37/7f/377f4ae853850691ab959270f01d52509ee07caf808041ddb0ab22488a0e9f85.avif","admin":false,"moderator":true,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59237,"postNumber":43,"raw":"我觉得教育，教和育需要的完全是不同的能力。教简单，只需要传授知识就行，育就很难。可以大搞教培，初高中竞赛，小学奥数什么的，只管教，不管育，而且赚钱能力不弱（据我所知不少老师搞教培买了五套房，或者大别野随便买），甚至不需要编制，完全影响不到生活品质。","cooked":"

我觉得教育，教和育需要的完全是不同的能力。教简单，只需要传授知识就行，育就很难。可以大搞教培，初高中竞赛，小学奥数什么的，只管教，不管育，而且赚钱能力不弱（据我所知不少老师搞教培买了五套房，或者大别野随便买），甚至不需要编制，完全影响不到生活品质。

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大学教职太卷了 $\":mouse_hole:\"$

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此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。

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如果打过数竞还挺想去教奥数的……但现在双减感觉挺难的 $\":mouse_hole:\"$

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此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。

\n"}},{"id":59241,"postNumber":46,"raw":"初高中竞赛可能需要打过数竞，小学奥数不需要。双减不用管他，只要待在一个重教育地区的小县城就行，除非你树敌太多别人举报你，否则不会被抓。","cooked":"

初高中竞赛可能需要打过数竞，小学奥数不需要。双减不用管他，只要待在一个重教育地区的小县城就行，除非你树敌太多别人举报你，否则不会被抓。

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男人恐惧承认这样一种现实，where 男性群体并不是自己永远、坚不可摧的精神堡垒，不断有边界上的个体掉出该群体，转化成为女性。这意味着若自己在男性竞争中失败，自己也会被踢到边缘，变成女性

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我初中的时候没变声于是当了三年团宠（
\n很幸运遇到了好同学

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听听

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近几年的科技行业让我切身体会到了，在资本主义生产关系中每一分技术进步都会被用来生产相对剩余价值，而不是用来改善大众生活质量。

我还是忘不掉“出海”之后，抖音的风评是怎样突然从“降智低俗小视频平台”180 度大扭转变成“为国争光的民族骄傲”的。一个用榨干程序员血汗生产出来用于尽可能一丝不剩地剥夺用户注意力的暴利机器，却能使每一个不是字节股东的中国人不由自主地仰起头。就像出了幻觉一样，中国作为禁毒大国，还是没能禁了爱国主义、宏大叙事这种制幻剂。

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这些东西就像酒精和 drug 一样，用户可以自由选择是否使用，市场规模这么大说明消费者爱用，一边用一边骂就有点精神分裂了

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-03 14:15:32.665177","updatedAt":"2025-07-03 14:15:32.665177","replyToPostNumber":null,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":55,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59342,"postNumber":52,"raw":"职场也是一样的，都是双向自由选择的结果，高强度工作对应的高工资，又不存在奴役和强迫劳动，不愿意做辞职去 955 的低工资单位就是。\n\n阶级剥削这些文科黑话体系反而是通过仇恨对立搞政治结盟的，然而现实世界的结果表明，公会没 p 用，博弈论，微观经济学市场规律反而具有最好的预测性质","cooked":"

职场也是一样的，都是双向自由选择的结果，高强度工作对应的高工资，又不存在奴役和强迫劳动，不愿意做辞职去 955 的低工资单位就是。

阶级剥削这些文科黑话体系反而是通过仇恨对立搞政治结盟的，然而现实世界的结果表明，公会没 p 用，博弈论，微观经济学市场规律反而具有最好的预测性质

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公会没 p 用
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这里指的是欧美大多数行业

韩国医学公会还是有用的，疯狂限制医学学生的数量，导致医疗成本极高，消费者买单，医务人员高强度工作高工资

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这些东西就像酒精和 drug 一样，用户可以自由选择是否使用，市场规模这么大说明消费者爱用，一边用一边骂就有点精神分裂了
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用户可以自由选择抽不抽鸦片，鸦片销量这么高说明我们大清人爱抽，林则徐不尊重市场选择，应该是罪人

论自由放任，还是美国人会玩。结果现在把喜欢用有形的大手暴击市场的 Trump 选上来了，是不是说明美国市场自由地选择了不要市场自由

以及在很多场景下，你没有自由选择的权利。比如谈生意的饭桌上，你可以自由选择不喝酒，那领导或客户也就可以自由地选择不要你/不和你签合同。

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大清人确实爱抽，地球资源是有限的，有人乐意领达尔文奖也挺有意思的。

短视频不见得是啥坏处，又能维稳又能减轻中老年人的痴呆风险

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和美国有啥关系，我也看不惯美国

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-03 14:34:20.023555","updatedAt":"2025-07-03 14:34:20.023555","replyToPostNumber":54,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":15,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59350,"postNumber":57,"raw":"中老年人不知道，但过量摄入网络鸦片已经让青少年群体痴呆了。新西兰正考虑禁止 16 岁以下使用社交媒体\n\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/06/new-zealand-pm-luxon-social-media-ban-children","cooked":"

中老年人不知道，但过量摄入网络鸦片已经让青少年群体痴呆了。新西兰正考虑禁止 16 岁以下使用社交媒体

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-03 14:36:15.799467","updatedAt":"2025-07-03 14:36:15.799467","replyToPostNumber":55,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":48,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":7137,"username":"emu_otori","name":"鳳笑夢","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/0b/13/0b133abcd3dfadb90fdbf7583cfdc31ec56db3dbd063fce95dbe0f09296b527a.avif","admin":false,"moderator":true,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59352,"postNumber":58,"raw":"选举也不是市场行为，一人一票不是很 robust 的加权，民主历来和自由不是完全兼容的\n\n\n[quote=\"鳳笑夢，post:54, topic:14852, username:emu_otori\"]\n你没有自由选择的权利\n[/quote]\n\n[quote=\"鳳笑夢，post:54, topic:14852, username:emu_otori\"]\n你可以自由选择不喝酒\n[/quote]\n\n所以我到底有没有自由","cooked":"

选举也不是市场行为，一人一票不是很 robust 的加权，民主历来和自由不是完全兼容的

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你没有自由选择的权利
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你可以自由选择不喝酒
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所以我到底有没有自由

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不同年龄阶段大脑的情况是很不一样的，中老年和青年人的社交环境也不一样

当然，就算和酒精一样完全有害，立法保护未成年人当然没问题，成年人还不愿意对自己负责就该去领达尔文奖了

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理论上你有无限的自由，因为你的所有决定都是由你的意志自行做出的。但权力通过改变不同策略组合的收益来迫使你做出有利于对方的选择。

当你被枪指着时，你就不太有不配合的自由。

当你在美国边检被要求检查电子设备时，你就不太有不提供的自由。

当你看到算法根据你的喜好和弱点精准推送的内容，让你看完这 15 秒的视频的瞬时喜悦远远超过了拿这 15 秒去享受生活的收益时，你就不太有不看的自由。

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我倒是觉得故意向未成年人销售酒精、烟草的人，以及发明出抢夺你所有注意力的推荐算法的人，应该去领“社会达尔文奖”，以表彰他们在淘汰掉非精英人群方面做出的卓越贡献

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理论上你有无限的自由
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此论断有失偏颇。人是否有自愿放弃自由的自由？这种放弃自由意味着以后永久不能恢复自由身。如果有，那么人就可以没有自由；如果没有，那么自由就不是无限的。

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发明推荐算法的人可能并没有错，但大规模应用到盈利的一定是千古罪人

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你站也应用了推荐算法，但没有盈利，所以 admin 不用被 🔫 😅

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-03 14:51:44.438562","updatedAt":"2025-07-03 14:51:44.438562","replyToPostNumber":63,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":1,"wordCount":25,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"🤣️","count":1,"users":[{"id":5905,"username":"PipaQinse233","name":"PipaQinse233"}],"hasReacted":false},{"reaction":"❤️","count":1,"users":[{"id":5905,"username":"PipaQinse233","name":"PipaQinse233"}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59369,"postNumber":65,"raw":"Related Material \nhttps://plato.stanford.edu/entries/compatibilism/","cooked":"

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我历来是不愿意和“只想赢”的诡辩争论的，不过还是可以写一下，这无非是不同人价值观的问题

你的例子总是充满了反自由的强迫，从而论证不应该自由选择

立法应该禁止的是强迫和欺诈等行为，而不是反行其道

1. 被枪指着时（非法暴力胁迫）

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  A. 配合：交出财物。
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  B. 不配合：交出生命。
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成本/收益分析：
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  策略 A 的成本： 损失财物。机会成本是保住财物的可能性（几乎为零）。
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  策略 B 的成本： 极高概率损失生命或遭受严重身体伤害 。机会成本是“活着”。
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诡辩之处：
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这里的“权力”（持枪者）是非法的，其行为是社会契约明确禁止的强制 (Coercion) 。将这种情况与自由市场的讨价还价相提并论，本身就是一种价值判断上的堕落。法律禁止的正是这种通过非法暴力创造极端不对等成本结构的行为。

2. 美国边检检查电子设备（公权力强制）

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可选策略：
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  A. 配合：提供设备和密码。
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  B. 不配合：拒绝提供。
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成本/收益分析：
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  策略 A 的成本： 隐私被侵犯，数据可能被复制，个人信息面临风险。
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  策略 B 的成本： 被拒绝入境，航班作废，行程泡汤，可能被列入黑名单，甚至短期拘留。其机会成本是本次出行的全部目的和投入 。
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诡辩之处：
\n这里的“权力”（边检）是合法的公权力，但其行使范围和边界是现代政治争论的焦点。与第一个例子不同，这里的成本不是生命威胁，但同样是极其不成比例 的。
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诡辩者再次将“拒绝入境”这一由国家暴力机器保障的惩罚，描述为一种平淡的“收益改变”。这忽略了权力来源的不对等性 。个人与国家机器之间，不存在平等的议价能力。你为了入境，已经付出了巨大的沉没成本（机票、酒店、时间）。边检人员通过不成比例的惩罚成本来迫使你放弃隐私权。

这虽然不是非法胁迫，但依然是强制。争论的焦点应该是：政府在何种程度上可以用这种强制力来交换公民的权利？ 将其归结为和买菜一样的“自由选择”，是在为无限扩张的公权力张目。

以及如果你作为移民，应该预先知道这样的概率，应该自己计算收益和风险。如果你不知道有这样的检查，可能是你调研不足。如果是随意搜查的话，搜查者是违法的。

3. 算法精准推送（商业算法诱导）

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可选策略：
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  A. 观看 15 秒视频。
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  B. 划走，去做别的事（享受生活）。
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成本/收益分析：
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  策略 A 的收益： 获得一次瞬时、廉价、精准定制的多巴胺快感。
  \n
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  策略 A 的成本： 15 秒时间。但真正的成本是隐形的、累积的：
  \n
  1. \n
    认知成本： 打断了你的心流，消耗了你的注意力储备。
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  2. \n
    机会成本： 放弃了用这段时间进行深度思考、有意义的社交或创造性工作的长期复合收益 。
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    成瘾成本： 强化了“即时满足”的神经回路，使你未来更难抵御诱惑，意志力被不断磨损。
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  策略 B 的收益： 保护了注意力和心流，获得了构建长期幸福感的可能性。
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  策略 B 的成本： 需要付出额外的意志力去对抗一个由数千名工程师和心理学家精心设计的“多巴胺陷阱”。
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诡辩之处：
\n这是三个例子中最微妙，也是最核心的。它不同于前两者的“强制”，更接近于一种系统性的操纵 (Manipulation) 。
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  信息不对称： 你只知道你想“放松一下”，而算法平台拥有关于你海量的个人数据，了解你最隐秘的心理弱点。这不是一场公平的博弈。
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  成本外部化： 平台获得了你的注意力和数据（并将其变现），但你的长期认知损害和机会成本损失，平台是不承担的。
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  混淆短期收益与长期成本： 诡辩者只强调“瞬时喜悦”超过了“15 秒享受生活”的收益，却刻意忽略了其巨大的、累积的隐性成本 。这就像一个高利贷贩子说：“你看，我借你的 100 块钱，让你立刻解决了吃饭问题，这个收益难道不比你明天可能挣到 10 块钱的收益大吗？”他绝口不提那高到天际的利息。
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立法禁止向未成年人售卖烟酒，正是因为我们承认：对于意志力、认知能力和信息处理能力尚不成熟的个体，我们有责任保护他们免受这种利用人性弱点进行“收益设计”的侵害。

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发明推荐算法的人可能并没有错，但大规模应用到盈利的一定是千古罪人
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为什么你觉得你可以定罪？

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这是个 meta-question 了。我愿意认为自由永远是无限的，但你没有“超越自由”的自由。就像实数可以无限接近 +∞，但无法达到 +∞。

放弃自由需要比自由更高阶的自由

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why not?

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-03 15:00:37.260869","updatedAt":"2025-07-03 15:00:37.260869","replyToPostNumber":67,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":2,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59374,"postNumber":70,"raw":"不要总是混淆法律和自由市场之间的职能，也不要认为特定的自己（而非无知之幕之后的自己）的利益就是至高无上的（自然界是以基因种群为单位演化的，人类社会是以文化模因种群为单位演化的），这样只会显得很滑稽。","cooked":"

不要总是混淆法律和自由市场之间的职能，也不要认为特定的自己（而非无知之幕之后的自己）的利益就是至高无上的（自然界是以基因种群为单位演化的，人类社会是以文化模因种群为单位演化的），这样只会显得很滑稽。

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在现行资本主义法律中定不了罪，但放几十年前或者是斯大林的苏联应该会被定罪。能否定罪要看依据什么法律

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-03 15:01:26.085742","updatedAt":"2025-07-03 15:01:26.085742","replyToPostNumber":67,"replyCount":2,"likeCount":1,"wordCount":49,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"❤️","count":1,"users":[{"id":2877,"username":"Zerick","name":null}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":7137,"username":"emu_otori","name":"鳳笑夢","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/0b/13/0b133abcd3dfadb90fdbf7583cfdc31ec56db3dbd063fce95dbe0f09296b527a.avif","admin":false,"moderator":true,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59376,"postNumber":72,"raw":"能定罪的只有自然界的 filter，目前最好的基因是人类，最好的模因是无知之幕原则下的立法 + 自由市场","cooked":"

能定罪的只有自然界的 filter，目前最好的基因是人类，最好的模因是无知之幕原则下的立法 + 自由市场

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-03 15:02:43.313081","updatedAt":"2025-07-03 15:02:43.313081","replyToPostNumber":71,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":43,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59378,"postNumber":73,"raw":"“把你最需要的内容推给你”的推荐算法是好的，把“你最会上瘾的内容推给你”的推荐算法是坏的","cooked":"

“把你最需要的内容推给你”的推荐算法是好的，把“你最会上瘾的内容推给你”的推荐算法是坏的

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放在历史某时某地穆斯林，整个楼的人都因为服装等原因有罪，他们为什么不来给我定罪呢，因为自然界宣判有罪的是他们

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-03 15:04:57.888854","updatedAt":"2025-07-03 15:04:57.888854","replyToPostNumber":71,"replyCount":2,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":54,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59380,"postNumber":75,"raw":"[quote=\"鳳笑夢，post:73, topic:14852, username:emu_otori\"]\n最需要的内容\n[/quote]\n\n那么什么是最需要的内容呢？你知道我需要什么吗？只有我自己自由选择才知道，我可以选择推荐算法，也可以选择传统算法，甚至不需要什么算法，如果真有这种需要（需求），你可以创一家新公司，大家都会用，你也会盈利","cooked":"

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最需要的内容
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那么什么是最需要的内容呢？你知道我需要什么吗？只有我自己自由选择才知道，我可以选择推荐算法，也可以选择传统算法，甚至不需要什么算法，如果真有这种需要（需求），你可以创一家新公司，大家都会用，你也会盈利

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-03 15:06:19.71839","updatedAt":"2025-07-03 15:06:19.71839","replyToPostNumber":73,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":113,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59381,"postNumber":76,"raw":"人类制造了这么多物种灭绝，人类是你的“自然之神”派来宣判的天使吗\n\n[quote=\"shared_user, post:74, topic:14852, username:anonymous_coward\"]\n放在历史某时某地穆斯林\n[/quote]\n\n不知道是指什么事件，但每部法律有它的约束范围，通常是地理上的国家边界。你在美国穿比基尼就无罪，在阿富汗穿就有罪。","cooked":"

人类制造了这么多物种灭绝，人类是你的“自然之神”派来宣判的天使吗

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放在历史某时某地穆斯林
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不知道是指什么事件，但每部法律有它的约束范围，通常是地理上的国家边界。你在美国穿比基尼就无罪，在阿富汗穿就有罪。

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我没有宣判什么，只是描述发生了什么。好笑的是，你对灭绝物种的缅怀建立在人类没被其他物种灭绝的基础上。

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-03 15:09:27.093546","updatedAt":"2025-07-03 15:09:27.093546","replyToPostNumber":76,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":50,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59384,"postNumber":78,"raw":"我理解 m0 所说的千古罪人是一种人内心的价值判断，在 corperate greed 操控立法和执行 branch 的社会，或者某种根本不存在法治的社会，什么法律审判都是狗屁。\n\n每个人的价值判断就是每个人的真理。\n\n公司为了赚钱用短视频降公众智，对没有改变能力的公众来说是邪恶的，所以全部 :gun:是合理的","cooked":"

我理解 m0 所说的千古罪人是一种人内心的价值判断，在 corperate greed 操控立法和执行 branch 的社会，或者某种根本不存在法治的社会，什么法律审判都是狗屁。

每个人的价值判断就是每个人的真理。

公司为了赚钱用短视频降公众智，对没有改变能力的公众来说是邪恶的，所以全部 🔫是合理的

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人类干的事虽然很危险，但并没有一个自然之神来宣判，要灭绝也不是被其他生物灭绝的

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自然之神
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这里指的是物理法则

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⚠️
\n温馨提醒：歪楼了 🥺

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-03 15:15:21.913262","updatedAt":"2025-07-03 15:15:21.913262","replyToPostNumber":null,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":1,"wordCount":10,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"❤️","count":1,"users":[{"id":2877,"username":"Zerick","name":null}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":7550,"username":"sumire","name":"アイラちゃん","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/7a/48/7a483b9b45d50681361e6da6c04657d008e906eb104592b0e7b421c1e4e1a9ad.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59388,"postNumber":82,"raw":"也不算歪楼，很好说明了很多人内心的理想生活是倒行逆施 (GOOD OLD DREAMS)","cooked":"

也不算歪楼，很好说明了很多人内心的理想生活是倒行逆施 (GOOD OLD DREAMS)

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-03 15:16:07.274032","updatedAt":"2025-07-03 15:16:07.274032","replyToPostNumber":81,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":1,"wordCount":29,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"🤠️","count":1,"users":[{"id":7550,"username":"sumire","name":"アイラちゃん"}],"hasReacted":false},{"reaction":"❤️","count":1,"users":[{"id":7550,"username":"sumire","name":"アイラちゃん"}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59389,"postNumber":83,"raw":"[quote=\"shared_user, post:75, topic:14852, username:anonymous_coward\"]\n那么什么是最需要的内容呢？你知道我需要什么吗？\n[/quote]\n\n你搜索的时候，搜索引擎自然知道你需要什么。\n\n> 5 月 6 日，中共党媒《[人民日报](https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BA%BA%E6%B0%91%E6%97%A5%E6%8A%A5)》发表题为《魏则西留下的生命考题》文章，称生老病死是人生规律，医生无法阻止。魏则西的悲剧应提醒绝症患者调整心态，坦然面对生死：“尊重自然规律，放弃不切实际的幻想，坦然地面对生与死，是最理性的选择”。文章还称，魏则西的遭遇是典型的“中国式求医”悲剧：父母变卖家产为患绝症的孩子求医，最后人财两空 [[35]](https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-sg/%E9%AD%8F%E5%88%99%E8%A5%BF%E4%BA%8B%E4%BB%B6#cite_note-35)。\n\n这是自然给魏则西下的审判吗","cooked":"

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那么什么是最需要的内容呢？你知道我需要什么吗？
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5 月 6 日，中共党媒《人民日报》发表题为《魏则西留下的生命考题》文章，称生老病死是人生规律，医生无法阻止。魏则西的悲剧应提醒绝症患者调整心态，坦然面对生死：“尊重自然规律，放弃不切实际的幻想，坦然地面对生与死，是最理性的选择”。文章还称，魏则西的遭遇是典型的“中国式求医”悲剧：父母变卖家产为患绝症的孩子求医，最后人财两空 [[35]](魏则西事件 - 维基百科，自由的百科全书
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这是自然给魏则西下的审判吗

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建议看一下前面的内容

（1）不要混淆立法和自由市场（2）不要混淆自然筛选的基本单位

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放在历史某时某地穆斯林，整个楼的人都因为服装等原因有罪，他们为什么不来给我定罪呢，因为自然界宣判有罪的是他们
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穆斯林群体应该不构成“自然筛选的基本单位——种群”

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穆斯林群体应该不构成“自然筛选的基本单位——种群”
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人类社会是以文化模因种群为单位演化的
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穆斯林也好，孔夫子也好，都是人类，基因差别对适应度函数的影响不大，差别在于伦理体系（即人与人如何作为符号互动，搭建更大的社会共同体）

达尔文在逻辑上是不可能错的，世界从来不缺自以为知道何为最优 fitness 函数的人，Nazi 错在以为自己 fitness 很强，自然 filter 证明 Nazi 的 fitness 反而弱的一批

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这种对自由的理解过于主观唯心了。按照这样理解，黑奴也是自由的，只是权衡利弊选择了继续给奴隶主卖命而不是窜逃。那么既然黑奴是自由的，我们就无从谈论“解放”了。这显然是非常荒谬的。我理解你想表达的是一种抛开一切的纯粹的自由，但是对这种自由的讨论对社会的建构是没有意义的。

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笑点解析：零点击率🤓
\n我们严肃材料相对于赛博大辩论还是太缺乏吸引力了

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那么既然黑奴是自由的，我们就无从谈论“解放”了。
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要解放的不是“黑奴能否拥有自由选择的能力”，而是“黑奴做出符合自己利益的选择的能力”。黑奴有自由选择的能力，但其权衡利弊后只能做出不符合自己利益的选择，原因是农场主施加了“权力”。要解放黑人，就是要剥夺这种不正当的权力

人的精神永远有绝对的自由。所有不自由都是在与拥有权力的他人互动时产生的。

你在进入囚徒困境后，没有选择符合自己利益的选项的权利。但鲁宾逊自己一个人在孤岛上，不与他人互动，他就有完全的自由。

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因为这玩意价值不大，现代科学有更好的解释

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妈的，我已经跟不上匿名用户的脑洞了。

强烈要求 admin 禁用匿名，或者开发类似树洞 Alice，Bob 的楼内匿名身份机制。

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开发类似树洞 Alice，Bob 的楼内匿名身份机制。
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这个挺好的，毕竟你站的活跃度某种程度上是由水源的寒蝉效应带来的

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admin 搞出的现在版本的匿名系统出发点就是反威权，反干预主义的，可以先把这个 admin 换了，换成一个喜欢李家坡模式的 admin，就没有匿名了

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-03 15:30:28.006868","updatedAt":"2025-07-03 15:30:28.006868","replyToPostNumber":91,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":58,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59403,"postNumber":94,"raw":"无敌了🙌甚至都没有点开就做出的无比自信的论断\n那我无话可说了🙌你赢了","cooked":"

无敌了🙌甚至都没有点开就做出的无比自信的论断
\n那我无话可说了🙌你赢了

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黑奴的问题不是什么囚徒困境，不要滥用词语，囚徒困境的原因是交易双方信息不对称

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权衡利弊后只能做出不符合自己利益的选择，原因是农场主施加了“权力”。要解放黑人，就是要剥夺这种不正当的权力
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所以这还是立法的问题，不是自由市场的问题。为什么还在混淆呢

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我现在才发现有 Anonymous 功能！我一直以为我在和 admin 聊天，以为 admin 是一位思维非常发散和活跃的人 😳 🤯

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每日乐趣：从众匿名用户中认出真正的 admin

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你不是我，你是谁？

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admin 本来就有点精神分裂，再被匿名用户狂暴鸿儒，如今已经分裂的不像一个人

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-03 15:37:38.145298","updatedAt":"2025-07-03 15:37:38.145298","replyToPostNumber":96,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":2,"wordCount":34,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[{"reaction":"👍️","count":1,"users":[{"id":5905,"username":"PipaQinse233","name":"PipaQinse233"}],"hasReacted":false},{"reaction":"🤣️","count":1,"users":[{"id":7550,"username":"sumire","name":"アイラちゃん"}],"hasReacted":false},{"reaction":"❤️","count":2,"users":[{"id":5905,"username":"PipaQinse233","name":"PipaQinse233"},{"id":7550,"username":"sumire","name":"アイラちゃん"}],"hasReacted":false}],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59411,"postNumber":100,"raw":"[quote=\"アイラちゃん，post:96, topic:14852, username:sumire\"]\n思维非常发散和活跃的人\n[/quote]\n翻译：多重人格","cooked":"

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思维非常发散和活跃的人
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翻译：多重人格

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$\"image\"$

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最高法当然是物理法则。人间最睿智的立法者一定是能将文化模因的 fitness 设计到市场最优（竞争对手是其他的立法者）

Nazi 这种倒行逆施的被物理法则淘汰不应该喜闻乐见吗

你我都讨厌糟糕的立法者，好在自然神也不喜爱他

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囚徒困境和黑人不是一个段落的。

立法要解决的是发生侵害之后的惩罚和社会如何阻止有人侵害别人。不应该“自由选择”是道德标准，要求个体不要去选择侵害别人。主体不同

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我才是真正的 admin 😋

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我才是 admin😡你们是来干什么的

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不行了，建议 anonymous 用随机哈希方法生成一个字符串，不然我要笑死了 🤣

可以采取像 A 岛的管理方法，每个人每个月获得一个串 😋

诶可以学隔壁水源生成 Anon 串 😋

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人的精神永远有绝对的自由
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男的没法体验女性高潮，女的没法体验男性高潮，部分女的没法体验性高潮。

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我猜这个是 admin

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アイラちゃん也来加入我们伟大的 quasi-admin 的行列吧🤣

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你是 admin，那我是？

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这里写的自由专指自由市场的自由选择，生理上的体验如果你能通过交易达成那也不是不可以

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惩罚
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立法确立之后，这一文化群体的激励框架就有了，在给定基因（忽略种群差异）的条件下，宏观上就有了特定的行为概率分布，作为个体可以在这一分布中自由选择，也就是自行判断何为对错，自由选择的权力

fitness 函数是建立在行为分布上的，而非个体的具体行动

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我想体验雌性霸王龙的高潮，你能满足我付你一百万比特币。 🤣

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低俗且不切实际

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职场也是一样的，都是双向自由选择的结果，高强度工作对应的高工资，又不存在奴役和强迫劳动，不愿意做辞职去 955 的低工资单位就是。
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现实情况是资本比劳动要值钱得多。在电子厂做高强度工作可以对应超低工资，在广州当收租婆看一天电视就能八方来财。收租婆来的财是电子厂小妹拼死拼活干出来的，这就是剥削

双向选择仅存在于完全自由竞争市场中，在现实中不存在

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事实：现实世界国内收租婆的回报率极低

以及，这是市场定价，只要他的房子不是偷来抢来的，就不算剥削。

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收租婆来的财是电子厂小妹拼死拼活干出来的，这就是剥削
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每次交房租的时候都感觉自己在同时给老板和房东打两份工 😭 想住大房子呜呜

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此人不语，只是一味地在门里生产废料。

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资源有限情况下，人类财富一定是走热力学最大熵，达到玻尔兹曼分布，完全公平环境下基尼系数就是 0.5，你说再多的剥削黑话，空想再多的制度结构也改变不了物理定律。

为什么老板比你赚的多，可能他的大脑没被这些黑话绕入 while(1)，加上运气好，投资成功

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基尼系数的警戒线就是 0.4，比这个大社会就已经极易发生动荡了。虽然不知道这个 0.5 是如何推导出来的，但单凭这个结论就足以证明人类社会从根本上就不可能存在。可以得三体星人经济学奖

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我们泛科学主义者是这样的，这就是社达的最终形态

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这里指的是最终均衡态，请区分过程和状态

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在古典主义经济学家看来，市场均衡意味着所有商品都会以成本价卖出，~~没有任何人会积累财富~~只会存在“正常利润率”，即资本的机会成本，约等于储蓄利率。

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扯淡，古典经济学家不是这么认为的。价格是微分商空间里的东西，积累的财富和这有什么关系

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Nazi 社达的问题前面已经多次提过了，Nazi 本身是没有理解演化论的（1）自认为知晓了 fitness 最优化（2）没有认清演化单位

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足以证明人类社会从根本上就不可能存在
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人类社会都动荡多少次了，这是什么唯心证明

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可以学习统计物理，似乎张首晟也写过一篇类似的论文

目前中美的财富分配确实也接近这个状态。从推导的前提假设你也可以看出两种环境不变情况下打破均衡态的方法（1）人口减少（2）科技革命

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双向选择仅存在于完全自由竞争市场中
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所有的文字概念 model 在现实都不存在，有些更清晰更能可靠预测未来，有些黑话 while(1) 只能自我陶醉

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https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ece3.70637

这篇文章研究的是不同分布中，偏斜度与基尼系数的关系。没有提供经济学背景，也没有对现实的解释能力，更没说完全公平环境下基尼系数就是 0.5，也没说什么是“完全公平”，现实社会也不是“完全公平”社会。人类社会财富分配受各种因素影响，政策就能施加很大影响，每个国家的分布都不同，并没有一个统一的函数来拟合。

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跟这篇文章有啥关系

基本假设就是 (1) 人口有限 (2) 资源有限 (3) 存在交换 (4) 封闭体系

这里的交换不是指市场，计划经济也存在交换，只需满足守恒律就可以

政策和不同社会结构只会影响达到热力学平衡的速度，不会改变这一结局。

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~~最有关系的不就这篇文章么~~ 啊搜错了，不是他写的

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n_1! n_2! ...} = \\frac{N!}{\\prod_{i} n_i!} $$\n\n**3. 最大化熵**\n\n直接最大化 Ω 很困难，我们转而最大化其对数，即熵 S = k ln(Ω) (为方便，我们令常数 k=1)。使用斯特林近似 `ln(x!) ≈ x ln(x) - x`（因为人口 N 和 nᵢ通常很大）：\n$$ \\ln(\\Omega) = \\ln(N!) - \\sum_i \\ln(n_i!) $$\n$$ \\ln(\\Omega) \\approx (N\\ln N - N) - \\sum_i (n_i \\ln n_i - n_i) $$\n由于 $\\sum_i n_i = N$，上式可以化简为：\n$$ \\ln(\\Omega) \\approx N\\ln N - \\sum_i n_i \\ln n_i $$\n我们要最大化这个函数，同时满足两个约束条件。这里我们使用**拉格朗日乘数法**。构造拉格朗日函数 L：\n$$ L = \\ln(\\Omega) - \\alpha(\\sum_i n_i - N) - \\beta(\\sum_i n_i w_i - W) $$\n$$ L = (N\\ln N - \\sum_i n_i \\ln n_i) - \\alpha(\\sum_i n_i - N) - \\beta(\\sum_i n_i w_i - W) $$\n为了找到极值，我们对任意一个 nₖ 求偏导，并令其为 0：\n$$ \\frac{\\partial L}{\\partial n_k} = -(\\ln n_k + 1) - \\alpha - \\beta w_k = 0 $$\n（注：$\\frac{\\partial}{\\partial n_k} (n_k \\ln n_k) = \\ln n_k + 1$）\n$$ \\ln n_k = -1 - \\alpha - \\beta w_k $$\n解出 nₖ：\n$$ n_k = e^{-1-\\alpha} e^{-\\beta w_k} $$\n令常数项 $C = e^{-1-\\alpha}$，我们得到：\n$$ n_k = C \\cdot e^{-\\beta w_k} $$\n这就是**社会财富的玻尔兹曼分布**。\n\n**4. 解释分布的含义**\n\n* **nₖ**: 拥有财富 `wₖ` 的人数。\n* **e**: 自然常数。\n* **wₖ**: 某个特定的财富水平。\n* **C**: 归一化常数，由人口守恒条件 $\\sum n_k = N$ 决定。\n* **β**: 一个非常关键的参数，类似于物理学中“温度”的倒数 (β = 1/kT)。在社会模型中，**β 代表了财富分配的集中程度**。\n * **β 值大** (低温社会): $e^{-\\beta w}$ 项会随着财富 w 的增加而急剧下降。这意味着绝大多数人都集中在低财富水平，只有极少数人拥有高财富。这是一个**高度不平等**的社会。\n * **β 值小** (高温社会): $e^{-\\beta w}$ 项下降得比较平缓。这意味着有更多的人可以达到较高的财富水平，财富分布更广泛。这是一个**相对平等**（或称之为更“活跃”、财富流动性更强）的社会。\n\n我们可以将 β 与平均财富 ` = W/N` 联系起来。在连续模型中，可以证明 **β ≈ 1 / **。即社会的“温度”正比于人均财富。\n\n---\n\n### **第三步：从玻尔兹曼分布推导基尼系数**\n\n基尼系数是衡量收入或财富不平等的常用指标，它基于洛伦兹曲线。\n\n**1. 连续化模型**\n\n为了计算基尼系数，我们将离散的玻尔兹曼分布 `nₖ` 转化为连续的概率密度函数 `P(w)`：\n$$ P(w) = \\beta e^{-\\beta w} $$\n这个分布就是统计学中的**指数分布**。我们已经使用了归一化条件 $\\int_0^\\infty P(w) dw = 1$ 来确定了常数 C = β。这个分布的平均值确实是 ` = 1/β`。\n\n**2. 构建洛伦兹曲线**\n\n洛伦兹曲线 `L(x)` 表示收入最低的 `x` 比例的人口拥有社会总财富的 `L` 比例。\n\n* **人口的累积比例 (x)**：从最穷的人（w=0）到财富为 w 的人，占总人口的比例是多少？\n $$ x(w) = \\int_0^w P(w') dw' = \\int_0^w \\beta e^{-\\beta w'} dw' = [-e^{-\\beta w'}]_0^w = 1 - e^{-\\beta w} $$\n* **财富的累积比例 (L)**：同样这部分人所拥有的财富占社会总财富的比例是多少？\n $$ L(w) = \\frac{\\int_0^w w' P(w') dw'}{\\int_0^\\infty w' P(w') dw'} = \\frac{\\int_0^w w' \\beta e^{-\\beta w'} dw'}{\\langle w \\rangle} $$\n 分母就是平均财富 ` = 1/β`。\n 分子部分需要用分部积分法计算：\n $$ \\int w' \\beta e^{-\\beta w'} dw' = \\frac{1}{\\beta} [1 - (\\beta w' + 1)e^{-\\beta w'}] $$\n 代入积分上下限 [0, w]，得到：\n $$ \\int_0^w w' \\beta e^{-\\beta w'} dw' = \\frac{1}{\\beta} [1 - (\\beta w + 1)e^{-\\beta w}] $$\n 所以，财富的累积比例为：\n $$ L(w) = \\frac{\\frac{1}{\\beta} [1 - (\\beta w + 1)e^{-\\beta w}]}{1/\\beta} = 1 - (\\beta w + 1)e^{-\\beta w} $$\n\n**3. 建立 L 与 x 的关系**\n\n我们现在有两个方程：\n1. `x = 1 - e^(-βw)`\n2. `L = 1 - (βw + 1)e^(-βw)`\n\n从 (1) 式我们可以得到 `e^(-βw) = 1 - x` 和 `βw = -ln(1-x)`。将这两个结果代入 (2) 式：\n$$ L(x) = 1 - (-\\ln(1-x) + 1)(1-x) $$\n$$ L(x) = 1 + (\\ln(1-x) - 1)(1-x) $$\n$$ L(x) = 1 + (1-x)\\ln(1-x) - (1-x) $$\n$$ L(x) = x + (1-x)\\ln(1-x) $$\n这就是指数分布对应的**洛伦兹曲线方程**。\n\n**4. 计算基尼系数 (G)**\n\n基尼系数 G = 1 - 2 * (洛伦兹曲线下方的面积)。\n$$ G = 1 - 2 \\int_0^1 L(x) dx $$\n$$ G = 1 - 2 \\int_0^1 [x + (1-x)\\ln(1-x)] dx $$\n我们分两部分计算积分：\n* $\\int_0^1 x dx = [\\frac{1}{2}x^2]_0^1 = \\frac{1}{2}$\n* $\\int_0^1 (1-x)\\ln(1-x) dx$。令 `u = 1-x`，则 `du = -dx`。积分限从 `1` 变为 `0`。\n $$ \\int_1^0 u \\ln(u) (-du) = \\int_0^1 u \\ln(u) du $$\n 这个积分用分部积分法得到的结果是 `-1/4`。\n\n将两部分积分结果代回：\n$$ G = 1 - 2 \\left( \\frac{1}{2} - \\frac{1}{4} \\right) $$\n$$ G = 1 - 2 \\left( \\frac{1}{4} \\right) $$\n$$ G = 1 - \\frac{1}{2} = 0.5 $$\n\n### **结论与启示**\n\n**1. 推导结果总结**\n\n在一个人数有限、资源有限、存在随机交换的封闭社会模型中，遵循最大熵原理，我们推导出：\n* **财富分布遵循指数形式的玻尔兹曼分布**：$P(w) \\propto e^{-w/\\langle w \\rangle}$。这意味着拥有少量财富的人数最多，而拥有巨额财富的人数呈指数级减少。\n* **该分布对应的基尼系数理论值为 0.5**。\n\n**2. 结果的深刻含义**\n\n这个结果是惊人的。它表明，**即使在一个没有任何剥削、没有阶级固化、人人机会均等的理想化随机交换市场中，仅仅是“随机交换”这个行为本身，就会自发地导致显著的贫富差距**（基尼系数 0.5 通常被认为是较高的不平等水平）。\n\n**3. 模型的局限性与现实世界的联系**\n\n* **基准模型**：这个 0.5 的基尼系数可以看作一个“物理学上的”财富不平等基准线。\n* **现实世界 G < 0.5**：如果一个现实社会的基尼系数低于 0.5（例如北欧国家），说明存在着**反熵**的机制，如**累进税、财富再分配、社会福利、遗产税**等。这些政策在抑制系统自发走向“最乱”的指数分布。\n* **现实世界 G > 0.5**：如果基尼系数高于 0.5，说明除了随机交换外，还存在着**加剧不平等的机制**，如**“富者愈富”的马太效应、资本利得远超劳动所得、权力寻租、阶层固化**等。这些机制使得财富分布比纯粹随机状态更加集中和扭曲。\n\n综上所述，通过模仿统计物理，我们不仅推导出了一个理想化社会中的财富分布和基尼系数，更重要的是，我们建立了一个强有力的理论框架，用于理解和分析现实世界中驱动财富不平等的各种力量。","cooked":"

最有关系的是统计物理教材，因为太经典了，AI 也可以写出来

核心思想：最大熵原理

在统计物理中，一个孤立系统在达到平衡时，会处于“最混乱”或“最可能”的宏观状态。所谓“最可能”，就是指对应这个宏观状态的微观状态数量（Ω）最多。系统的熵（S）与微观状态数成正比（S = k ln Ω）。因此，系统会自发地向着熵最大的状态演化。

我们将这个最大熵原理应用到我们的社会模型中。

第一步：建立物理学与社会学的类比

为了使用物理学工具，我们首先要建立一个概念映射表：

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统计物理概念	社会经济学类比	解释
粒子 (Particles)	个人 (Individuals)	构成系统的基本单元。
总粒子数 (N)	总人口 (N)	假设 (1) 人口有限，N 为常数。
能量 (Energy)	财富/资源 (Wealth)	个人之间可以交换的守恒量。
总能量 (E_total)	总财富 (W_total)	假设 (2) & (4) 资源有限 & 封闭体系，W 为常数。
能量交换	经济交易/交换	假设 (3) 存在交换，个人之间财富发生转移。
能量级 (Energy Levels, εᵢ)	财富水平 (Wealth Levels, wᵢ)	个人可能拥有的离散财富数量，如$0, $1, $100 等。
处于能量级εᵢ的粒子数 (nᵢ)	拥有财富 wᵢ的人数 (nᵢ)	描述系统宏观状态的变量。
微观状态 (Microstate)	具体的财富分配	一个详细的列表，指明每一个特定的人拥有多少财富。
宏观状态 (Macrostate)	整体的财富分布	一个统计描述，只关心有多少人处于各个财富水平 {n₀, n₁, n₂, ...}。
热平衡 (Thermal Equilibrium)	社会经济稳定状态	经过大量随机交换后，系统达到的最可能、最稳定的财富分布。
熵 (Entropy, S)	社会多样性/可能性	对应一个宏观分布（宏观状态）的微观分配方式的总数。

第二步：推导财富的玻尔兹曼分布

我们的目标是找到最可能的宏观状态 {n₀, n₁, n₂, ...}，即让熵最大的那个分布。

1. 系统的约束条件

根据我们的假设，系统必须满足两个基本约束：

人口守恒: 所有财富水平的人数加起来等于总人口 N。
\n
$\n\\sum_{i} n_i = N\n$
财富守恒: 所有人的财富加起来等于社会总财富 W。
\n
$\n\\sum_{i} n_i w_i = W\n$

2. 定义熵（微观状态总数 Ω）

对于一个给定的宏观状态 {n₀, n₁, n₂, ...}，有多少种具体的分配方式（微观状态）可以实现它？
\n这在组合数学上是一个经典问题。其答案是多项式系数：
\n

\n\\Omega(n_0, n_1, ...) = \\frac{N!}{n_0! n_1! n_2! ...} = \\frac{N!}{\\prod_{i} n_i!}\n

3. 最大化熵

直接最大化 Ω 很困难，我们转而最大化其对数，即熵 S = k ln(Ω) (为方便，我们令常数 k=1)。使用斯特林近似 ln(x!) ≈ x ln(x) - x（因为人口 N 和 nᵢ通常很大）：
\n

\n\\ln(\\Omega) = \\ln(N!) - \\sum_i \\ln(n_i!)\n

\n\\ln(\\Omega) \\approx (N\\ln N - N) - \\sum_i (n_i \\ln n_i - n_i)\n

\n由于

\\sum_i n_i = N

，上式可以化简为：
\n

\n\\ln(\\Omega) \\approx N\\ln N - \\sum_i n_i \\ln n_i\n

\n我们要最大化这个函数，同时满足两个约束条件。这里我们使用拉格朗日乘数法。构造拉格朗日函数 L：
\n

\nL = \\ln(\\Omega) - \\alpha(\\sum_i n_i - N) - \\beta(\\sum_i n_i w_i - W)\n

\nL = (N\\ln N - \\sum_i n_i \\ln n_i) - \\alpha(\\sum_i n_i - N) - \\beta(\\sum_i n_i w_i - W)\n

\n为了找到极值，我们对任意一个 nₖ 求偏导，并令其为 0：
\n

\n\\frac{\\partial L}{\\partial n_k} = -(\\ln n_k + 1) - \\alpha - \\beta w_k = 0\n

\n（注：

\\frac{\\partial}{\\partial n_k} (n_k \\ln n_k) = \\ln n_k + 1

）
\n

\n\\ln n_k = -1 - \\alpha - \\beta w_k\n

\n解出 nₖ：
\n

\nn_k = e^{-1-\\alpha} e^{-\\beta w_k}\n

\n令常数项

C = e^{-1-\\alpha}

，我们得到：
\n

\nn_k = C \\cdot e^{-\\beta w_k}\n

\n这就是社会财富的玻尔兹曼分布。

4. 解释分布的含义

nₖ: 拥有财富 wₖ 的人数。
e: 自然常数。
wₖ: 某个特定的财富水平。
C: 归一化常数，由人口守恒条件 $\\sum n_k = N$ 决定。
β: 一个非常关键的参数，类似于物理学中“温度”的倒数 (β = 1/kT)。在社会模型中，β 代表了财富分配的集中程度。\n
- β 值大 (低温社会): $e^{-\\beta w}$ 项会随着财富 w 的增加而急剧下降。这意味着绝大多数人都集中在低财富水平，只有极少数人拥有高财富。这是一个高度不平等的社会。
- β 值小 (高温社会): $e^{-\\beta w}$ 项下降得比较平缓。这意味着有更多的人可以达到较高的财富水平，财富分布更广泛。这是一个相对平等（或称之为更“活跃”、财富流动性更强）的社会。
\n

我们可以将 β 与平均财富 <w> = W/N 联系起来。在连续模型中，可以证明 β ≈ 1 / 。即社会的“温度”正比于人均财富。

第三步：从玻尔兹曼分布推导基尼系数

基尼系数是衡量收入或财富不平等的常用指标，它基于洛伦兹曲线。

1. 连续化模型

为了计算基尼系数，我们将离散的玻尔兹曼分布 nₖ 转化为连续的概率密度函数 P(w)：
\n

\nP(w) = \\beta e^{-\\beta w}\n

\n这个分布就是统计学中的指数分布。我们已经使用了归一化条件

\\int_0^\\infty P(w) dw = 1

来确定了常数 C = β。这个分布的平均值确实是 <w> = 1/β。

2. 构建洛伦兹曲线

洛伦兹曲线 L(x) 表示收入最低的 x 比例的人口拥有社会总财富的 L 比例。

人口的累积比例 (x)：从最穷的人（w=0）到财富为 w 的人，占总人口的比例是多少？
\n
$\nx(w) = \\int_0^w P(w') dw' = \\int_0^w \\beta e^{-\\beta w'} dw' = [-e^{-\\beta w'}]_0^w = 1 - e^{-\\beta w}\n$
财富的累积比例 (L)：同样这部分人所拥有的财富占社会总财富的比例是多少？
\n
$\nL(w) = \\frac{\\int_0^w w' P(w') dw'}{\\int_0^\\infty w' P(w') dw'} = \\frac{\\int_0^w w' \\beta e^{-\\beta w'} dw'}{\\langle w \\rangle}\n$

\n分母就是平均财富 <w> = 1/β。
\n分子部分需要用分部积分法计算：
\n
$\n\\int w' \\beta e^{-\\beta w'} dw' = \\frac{1}{\\beta} [1 - (\\beta w' + 1)e^{-\\beta w'}]\n$

\n代入积分上下限 [0, w]，得到：
\n
$\n\\int_0^w w' \\beta e^{-\\beta w'} dw' = \\frac{1}{\\beta} [1 - (\\beta w + 1)e^{-\\beta w}]\n$

\n所以，财富的累积比例为：
\n
$\nL(w) = \\frac{\\frac{1}{\\beta} [1 - (\\beta w + 1)e^{-\\beta w}]}{1/\\beta} = 1 - (\\beta w + 1)e^{-\\beta w}\n$

3. 建立 L 与 x 的关系

我们现在有两个方程：

x = 1 - e^(-βw)
L = 1 - (βw + 1)e^(-βw)

从 (1) 式我们可以得到 e^(-βw) = 1 - x 和 βw = -ln(1-x)。将这两个结果代入 (2) 式：
\n

\nL(x) = 1 - (-\\ln(1-x) + 1)(1-x)\n

\nL(x) = 1 + (\\ln(1-x) - 1)(1-x)\n

\nL(x) = 1 + (1-x)\\ln(1-x) - (1-x)\n

\nL(x) = x + (1-x)\\ln(1-x)\n

\n这就是指数分布对应的洛伦兹曲线方程。

4. 计算基尼系数 (G)

基尼系数 G = 1 - 2 * (洛伦兹曲线下方的面积)。
\n

\nG = 1 - 2 \\int_0^1 L(x) dx\n

\nG = 1 - 2 \\int_0^1 [x + (1-x)\\ln(1-x)] dx\n

\n我们分两部分计算积分：

$\\int_0^1 x dx = [\\frac{1}{2}x^2]_0^1 = \\frac{1}{2}$
$\\int_0^1 (1-x)\\ln(1-x) dx$ 。令 u = 1-x，则 du = -dx。积分限从 1 变为 0。
\n
$\n\\int_1^0 u \\ln(u) (-du) = \\int_0^1 u \\ln(u) du\n$

\n这个积分用分部积分法得到的结果是 -1/4。

将两部分积分结果代回：
\n

\nG = 1 - 2 \\left( \\frac{1}{2} - \\frac{1}{4} \\right)\n

\nG = 1 - 2 \\left( \\frac{1}{4} \\right)\n

\nG = 1 - \\frac{1}{2} = 0.5\n

结论与启示

1. 推导结果总结

在一个人数有限、资源有限、存在随机交换的封闭社会模型中，遵循最大熵原理，我们推导出：

财富分布遵循指数形式的玻尔兹曼分布： $P(w) \\propto e^{-w/\\langle w \\rangle}$ 。这意味着拥有少量财富的人数最多，而拥有巨额财富的人数呈指数级减少。
该分布对应的基尼系数理论值为 0.5。

2. 结果的深刻含义

这个结果是惊人的。它表明，即使在一个没有任何剥削、没有阶级固化、人人机会均等的理想化随机交换市场中，仅仅是“随机交换”这个行为本身，就会自发地导致显著的贫富差距（基尼系数 0.5 通常被认为是较高的不平等水平）。

3. 模型的局限性与现实世界的联系

基准模型：这个 0.5 的基尼系数可以看作一个“物理学上的”财富不平等基准线。
现实世界 G < 0.5：如果一个现实社会的基尼系数低于 0.5（例如北欧国家），说明存在着反熵的机制，如累进税、财富再分配、社会福利、遗产税等。这些政策在抑制系统自发走向“最乱”的指数分布。
现实世界 G > 0.5：如果基尼系数高于 0.5，说明除了随机交换外，还存在着加剧不平等的机制，如**“富者愈富”的马太效应、资本利得远超劳动所得、权力寻租、阶层固化**等。这些机制使得财富分布比纯粹随机状态更加集中和扭曲。

综上所述，通过模仿统计物理，我们不仅推导出了一个理想化社会中的财富分布和基尼系数，更重要的是，我们建立了一个强有力的理论框架，用于理解和分析现实世界中驱动财富不平等的各种力量。

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值得一提的是，物理诺奖颁发给 AI 其实是没啥问题的，底层逻辑都是统计力学和信息论，得奖的其中一位就是统计力学的大佬。

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巴别塔总是要建，建到一半又总会因愤愤不平而推倒。

迷宫没有出口 😀

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发明推荐算法的人可能并没有错，但大规模应用到盈利的一定是千古罪人
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发明酒的人可能并没有错，但大规模应用到盈利的一定是千古罪人...吗？
\n发明游戏的人可能并没有错，但大规模应用到盈利的一定是千古罪人...吗？

纵观整个大辩论，可以得出结论：威权主义、大家长制的思想在你国从上到下果然深入人心。老一辈人觉得玩游戏坏，看闲书坏，早恋坏，以至于你国推出了未成年玩游戏时间限制这种政策（也只有你国这类悠久威权历史的国家能通过实名认证推行下去）。小登们玩不了游戏觉得苦，长大以后终于明白了家长们“这是为你好”的良苦用心，一改态度，面对类似性质的短视频说：早该管管了！

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那么什么是最需要的内容呢？你知道我需要什么吗？
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“我觉得坏，就该管管。你觉得好，是因为你被蒙蔽了。”这种精英主义的居高临下的傲慢在所有所谓高知人群中屡见不鲜。“群众不知道他们想要什么，只有精英才知道他们想要什么，什么符合他们的利益”这种主张从根本上来说就是反自由平等，反启蒙精神的。“圣人独裁是最完美的制度，我是圣人，我要独裁。”才是所谓精英真正的想法。殊不知怀有这种想法，只讲本意，不讲执行的人才是真正能造成大祸害的。“本意是好的，执行坏了。”这种案例屡见不鲜。群众固然愚昧，完全不干预群众，可能就像拿着机关枪的黑猩猩，会造成大破坏。但如果处处干预群众，由所谓的精英来组成群众的外置大脑，那就是拿着机关枪的恐怖分子，一切都无法挽回了。

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人口守恒、财富守恒、随机交易，这些假设不能再离谱。试图用一个简单模型去解释全部经济现实，还是几百年前的方法论

中国的扶贫实践证明了绝对贫困是可以被消灭的。这模型中的“贫富差距”最多也就是个相对值，若生产力发展到“最低财富水平”已经足够支付体面生活所需开销，社会又会发生如何变化呢？富人是否还有动力继续维护自己无用的大量财富呢？

另外，这是一个比 AI 讲得好点的：

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所有的文字概念 model 在现实都不存在，有些更清晰更能可靠预测未来，有些黑话 while(1) 只能自我陶醉
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照你这么说，牛顿力学应该完全废弃，设计汽车的人应该从薛定谔方程算起。

这里没有试图解释全部经济现实，只是说明理想化情况下均衡态的基尼系数是啥情况（一个很好的参照点）。

即使在一个没有任何剥削、没有阶级固化、人人机会均等的理想化随机交换市场中，仅仅是“随机交换”这个行为本身，就会自发地导致显著的贫富差距（基尼系数 0.5 通常被认为是较高的不平等水平）。

人口、财富当然是在变化的，但你看工业革命之前的历史，其波动幅度完全可以忽略。

你对这里的“随机交换”可能有误解，不是想象的互相随机大撒币，而是分工前提下的互换有无，不依赖于个体的历史、能力或身份。 即 stateless，非歧视性，大家都能用同样的价格买到农夫山泉。

现在社会是更加复杂，有科技革命带来的新增长，但金融杠杆发挥的作用类似于化学中的催化剂，使得这一模型达到了近似可接受的程度

剥削、异化黑话除了带来情感上的满足和对立，还有什么吗？

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算了，不想说了，总是在扯东扯西，捏造曲解概念。just wanna win

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不想说就睡觉

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很好说明了很多人内心的理想生活是倒行逆施 (GOOD OLD DREAMS)
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《我们最幸福——北韩人民的真实生活》

L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés ou désirs

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我知道你想证明什么，你有点过于急切地想看到自己预言的灾难性衰退发生，甚至想当加速师，因为你已经为之做了充足准备，而不考虑广大没有能力应对危机的人的死活。

我的立论一直没变，就是阻止富人从穷人处抢夺财富、阻止穷人向富人的补贴。掌握劳动才是光荣的，而不应追捧掌握更多资本。

富人通过心理操纵、商业手段、权力压迫把穷人韭菜收割了一茬又一茬，反倒要责怪穷人“没有辨别和选择能力”，属于太经典的社达了。总之就是“都怪你不努力”。

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我没有任何愿望

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富人通过心理操纵、商业手段、权力压迫把穷人韭菜收割了一茬又一茬，反倒要责怪穷人“没有辨别和选择能力”，属于太经典的社达了。总之就是“都怪你不努力”。
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那为什么老美被时代抛弃的钢铁公司老板不能在美股 top10 科技公司通过操纵和权利压迫穷人呢

财富不是靠压迫搞出来的，也不是靠毫无方向的努力变出来的

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即使在一个没有任何剥削、没有阶级固化、人人机会均等的理想化随机交换市场中
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这个假想市场在人类历史上从来没有出现过，以后也不会出现。社会有结构化的弊端，就去思考如何设计出更好的制度去改变这个结构。

就像是拿 Orwell 想像出来的搞笑极权世界，就认为现实世界中的权力最终一定趋于高度集中，然后想方设法爬到权力顶端，并证明底层人全部都是愚蠢、该死的。

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财富不是靠压迫搞出来的，也不是靠毫无方向的努力变出来的
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匿名用户认为财富是靠“我的奋斗”奋斗出来的

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老美被时代抛弃的钢铁公司老板
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绣带钢铁公司的老板还给工人发工资、让他们过上体面生活真是太仁慈了，难怪被淘汰。还好现在有各种高利贷公司把底特律居民身上皮都扒掉

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传统上互助、友爱、合作、团结的学生共同体已经瓦解了，新的自私自利、勾心斗角、麻木不仁的学生共同体已经形成。

太多人幻想自己与众不同，能跻身精英行列，所以诸如 popmart 这种才能大收特割。

「愛がなければ視えない」，傲慢使人盲目

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阻止富人从穷人处抢夺财富、阻止穷人向富人的补贴。掌握劳动才是光荣的，而不应追捧掌握更多资本。
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这种就属于有大危害的空想主义。

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我只是在战斗。 ----波尔布特
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限制的方法多种多样，为啥不是极端自由放任就是极端集权。为啥不能接受新世纪全世界普遍达成的市场与政府平衡的共识。

对算法推荐内容加以约束就是手段之一

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https://www.cac.gov.cn/2025-03/14/c_1743654684782215.htm

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聚焦网民关切，重点整治同质化推送营造“信息茧房”、违规操纵干预榜单炒作热点、盲目追求利益侵害新就业形态劳动者权益、利用算法实施大数据“杀熟”、算法向上向善服务缺失侵害用户合法权益等重点问题，督促企业深入对照自查整改，进一步提升算法安全能力。
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深入整治“信息茧房”、诱导沉迷问题。构建“信息茧房”防范机制，提升推送内容多样性丰富性。严禁推送高度同质化内容诱导用户沉迷。不得强制要求用户选择兴趣标签，不得将违法和不良信息记入用户标签并据以推送信息，不得超范围收集用户个人信息用于内容推送。规范设置“不感兴趣”等负反馈功能。
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这就是网民切实的愿望

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共识就是共产主义不可行，劫富济贫行不通。资本主义就是当前时代的答案，并且很可能也会是未来的答案。

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为啥不是极端自由放任就是极端集权
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人类社会不存在一个静止的稳定态，不是在通往极端自由的路上就是在通往极端集权的路上。在相对自由的国家向往集权还可以辩解，在一个本就相当集权的国家向往更集权未免就有点极端了。

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这就是网民切实的愿望
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未成年限制游戏时长是人民切实的愿望，网络、手机号实名制，全民盒大战是人民切实的愿望；大封城、大绿码是人民切实的愿望，大放开、大丧葬是人民切实的愿望；赶英超美、只争朝夕是人民切实的愿望，“It's my duty”是人民切实的愿望；大鸣大放大辩论是人民切实的愿望，改革开放、市场经济是人民切实的愿望；“只生一个好”是人民切实的愿望，积极生育三胎是人民切实的愿望。把劣等鱿鱼做成肥皂是人民切实的愿望，把戴眼镜的去城市化也是人民切实的愿望。全民大变性是人民切实的愿望，白皮爷吉祥也是人民切实的愿望。

人民切实的愿望真的是人民切实的愿望吗？

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怎么楼完全歪完了

我缺少跟匿名用户鉴证的欲望，除非真的是 admin（

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封城确实是人民的愿望，客观上避免了大量死亡；放开也确实是人民的愿望，因为再不恢复生产就无法生活。一个好的制度能够在需要封城时快速封城，需要放开时快速放开。中国制度的权力惯性还是太大了，在放开的呼声已经很高时仍拖延了很久。

所谓“大丧葬”相比于美国的死亡人数来说属实九牛一毛。

建国初期共产党的高度威权确实是人民的愿望，因为人民无法忍受长期压迫他们的封建主义和资本主义势力；改革开放、市场经济同样也是人民的愿望，因为发展生产力的需求已经很急切。

“只生一个好”确实是人民的愿望，因为再生得多环境就会崩溃；积极放开生育同样是人民的愿望，因为未来劳动力供给已经不足，同时生育率已经下降到环境不会面临威胁。

把纳粹选上台的是德国人民，战后清算纳粹的是同样一批德国人民。

全民大变性是人民对传统性别刻板印象解放的尝试，反对变性同样是人们对性别解放方式反思后的结果。

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人民切实的愿望只有一个，就是提升生活质量。所有与之相符的愿望都是人民真正的愿望，所有与之相悖的愿望都不是。

由此可以判断，抽鸦片是不是大清百姓的愿望——不是。被算法异化，失去对生活的主导权是不是当下中国人的愿望——不是。

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这逻辑就和中学历史课本上写的“中国人尝试所有道路都失败了，只有社会主义可行”一样。

征税、发社会福利、转移支付、定向补贴等等，劫富济贫的手段太多了。

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人类社会不存在一个静止的稳定态，不是在通往极端自由的路上就是在通往极端集权的路上。
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运动是围绕着中间的均衡态上下波动的，还有“封闭的热力学系统”会自发向着热寂移动吗

现实是人类社会把极端自由走过了，把极端集权也走过了，冷战之后主要国家哪个还在搞抽象，都在政治光谱的中间位置附近。

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市场不是天然存在的，它是人类社会的发明创造。既然是人类发明的东西，它的运转就一定基于假设后再盲目相信的前提条件之上。基于市场分析的一切结果都默认它的前提条件成立。
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\n无产阶级否定了那么多东西，社会还能活得下去？物质决定意识。当无产阶级完成清算后，自然会在新的物质基础之上重新建立上层建筑，就像是资产阶级是在清算完封建帝制之后才完善自己的制度一样。

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建国初期共产党的高度威权确实是人民的愿望，因为人民无法忍受长期压迫他们的封建主义和资本主义势力；
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这就是为什么把机关枪交到黑猩猩手里可能是目前人类制度的最优解，有的坏人实在是太坏了。

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不知所云

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人民有没有选择不跟中国共产党走的权利？
\n低龄儿童被别有用心的组织洗脑，党来运作国家机器镇压封杀这些组织，强迫儿童学习党的理论，要求思维跟党走。这是不是侵害了低龄儿童自由选择的权利？
\n为什么中共可以替还没有判断能力的儿童决定他们不能这么做？又是谁定义了没有判断能力？
\n我们能否认为刷抖音的青少年无法判断出平台的推荐算法正在剥削他们，所以我们就能用暴力来禁止他被剥削？
\n我们能否认为他们本我其实是不愿这样被剥削的，刷抖音是被算法强迫的？那本我又是个什么东西？
\n我并不想用自由平等人权市场经济等话语体系来看这些事情，我的看法是非常简单的。
\n团结尽可能多的人，占有、操纵尽可能多的物质，按照“我们”的意志设计制度去分配物质
\n我认为主义根本上都是这样运作的。

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全同粒子都会自发形成贫富悬殊，所谓富粒子和穷粒子是在均衡态之后才能起名的，不知道你们想的新建构是要在什么基础上，空想带来的灾难可太多了。认为剥削和作恶是贫富差距的来源的各位才是真社达

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自然会在新的物质基础之上重新建立上层建筑
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那你的新建筑怎么突破物理定律

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还惦记着简单暴力模型

经济学史一遍又一遍教育我们不要自大地试图设计未来

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-04 04:51:59.646242","updatedAt":"2025-07-04 04:51:59.646242","replyToPostNumber":157,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":34,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":7137,"username":"emu_otori","name":"鳳笑夢","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/0b/13/0b133abcd3dfadb90fdbf7583cfdc31ec56db3dbd063fce95dbe0f09296b527a.avif","admin":false,"moderator":true,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59530,"postNumber":159,"raw":"[quote=\"鳳笑夢，post:144, topic:14852, username:emu_otori\"]\n这个假想市场在人类历史上从来没有出现过\n[/quote]\n\n你幻想的和谐平等的社会最后也是这样财富悬殊的，因为这是物理定律，和道德没任何关系。何况人类的 heterogeneous。各种立法监管没问题，但也会走向贫富悬殊。欧洲高税收确实可以解决这一问题，代价就是不劳而获的人疯狂吸血，被割韭菜的反而是试图打破均衡态系统的创新者，欧洲现在比起中美都烂完了","cooked":"

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这个假想市场在人类历史上从来没有出现过
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你幻想的和谐平等的社会最后也是这样财富悬殊的，因为这是物理定律，和道德没任何关系。何况人类的 heterogeneous。各种立法监管没问题，但也会走向贫富悬殊。欧洲高税收确实可以解决这一问题，代价就是不劳而获的人疯狂吸血，被割韭菜的反而是试图打破均衡态系统的创新者，欧洲现在比起中美都烂完了

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所以否定一切破坏一切之后又会回到老路子，无非是换了一批人扮演不同的角色

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市场的核心就是交换，就是天然存在的，自然界玻耳兹曼分布的例子很多。

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认为剥削和作恶是贫富差距的来源的各位才是真社达
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上面提到很多次，筛选的基本单位是不同文化共同体，而非内部的个人。

全同粒子体系一开始是无法区分谁是富粒子，谁是穷粒子。“富粒子应该被消灭”才是毫无建设意义，只有破坏的社达，因为这是没有认清楚达尔文不是在内部筛选的，和 Nazi 一样造成的只有无差别攻击，攻击之后还是不会解决任何问题，“不断革命论”最后把所有粒子都革没了已经发生了很多次。

征收高能量税可以减缓体系内部压力，但会错失大量发展机会，被另一个更高效的系统竞争掉（达尔文筛选是发生在系统层面的）

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所以到底是穷人被剥削还是富人被剥削呢，不可能所有人都在被剥削吧？无犯法的公平体系下基尼系数<0.5 就是在割中产的韭菜

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谁是我们，谁来定义我们？如果我们指大多数人，那么群体的暴政不可避免，少数群体的利益将被忽视，少数群体将被排挤，边缘化，直至完全消灭。当少数群体被消灭以后，多数将分裂出新的少数重新这个消灭少数的过程，直到整个群体走向自我毁灭，土崩瓦解。

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就像是拿 Orwell 想像出来的搞笑极权世界，就认为现实世界中的权力最终一定趋于高度集中，然后想方设法爬到权力顶端，并证明底层人全部都是愚蠢、该死的。
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匿名用户认为财富是靠“我的奋斗”奋斗出来的
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前面说的是，靠科技革命，不知道你这个结论怎么来的。

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这里想说的是你幻想的【心理操纵、商业手段、权力压迫】核心致富技能并不可靠

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-04 05:26:51.861161","updatedAt":"2025-07-04 05:26:51.861161","replyToPostNumber":144,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":214,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59540,"postNumber":166,"raw":"[quote=\"duroy, post:152, topic:14852, username:duroy\"]\n资产阶级是在清算完封建帝制\n[/quote]\n\n不管是资产阶级，还是封建帝制，社会财富**分布**还是一样的，**从来没变过**，只是掌握新生产能力的人为内部划分起了新名字，你妄想的不过是自己靠暴力进行垄断，然后给自己起个好听的名字罢了","cooked":"

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资产阶级是在清算完封建帝制
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不管是资产阶级，还是封建帝制，社会财富分布还是一样的，从来没变过，只是掌握新生产能力的人为内部划分起了新名字，你妄想的不过是自己靠暴力进行垄断，然后给自己起个好听的名字罢了

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我不知道物理建模来模拟社会的同构建立在何种盲目相信的假设之上。
\n难道没有发现用数学解释世界的基石是盲目相信公理吗？重新约定了公理，又怎么还需要再接受原来公理导出的结论？

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-04 05:40:33.491552","updatedAt":"2025-07-04 05:45:37.634699","replyToPostNumber":166,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":85,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":2,"publicVersion":2,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":182,"username":"duroy","name":"duroy","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/d1/3d/d13d8991365885ad7355d2be1d8aabbe32633dee456adacc58d783b22a2c238f.avif","admin":false,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":null,"signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59542,"postNumber":168,"raw":"源自和历史数据演化吻合的基础上\n\n以及，你对物理，力学可能有很多误解","cooked":"

源自和历史数据演化吻合的基础上

以及，你对物理，力学可能有很多误解

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-04 05:46:29.114268","updatedAt":"2025-07-04 05:46:29.114268","replyToPostNumber":167,"replyCount":1,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":32,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59543,"postNumber":169,"raw":"源自系统的自洽上。\n**先**盲目接受了假设，**然后**建立在假设之上推理后续变化，**最后**发现后续变化符合实际事物的变化。这就是自然科学的基本逻辑。变化的是假设，又怎么还需要继续接受后续的推理？","cooked":"

源自系统的自洽上。
\n先盲目接受了假设，然后建立在假设之上推理后续变化，最后发现后续变化符合实际事物的变化。这就是自然科学的基本逻辑。变化的是假设，又怎么还需要继续接受后续的推理？

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首先假设不见得有多么盲目，已经很清楚的写出了前提是什么。预测的误差的多大有大量的现实数据可以考据，你可以自行去整理下农业社会的财富分布，苏联时期的财富分布。课堂上学生模拟社会运转的实验我们也做过，这就是自然规律

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-04 05:54:53.221263","updatedAt":"2025-07-04 05:54:53.221263","replyToPostNumber":169,"replyCount":0,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":105,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59545,"postNumber":171,"raw":"原来是真左左，失敬了。无论是西方国家还是东方国家，无论这个国家的意识形态如何，极左的本质都是极右，殊途同归。在这个波尔布特遍地走的年代，我们是否应该反思我们教育的失能？还是人类的本质就是波尔布特？ :scream:","cooked":"

原来是真左左，失敬了。无论是西方国家还是东方国家，无论这个国家的意识形态如何，极左的本质都是极右，殊途同归。在这个波尔布特遍地走的年代，我们是否应该反思我们教育的失能？还是人类的本质就是波尔布特？ 😱

\n","createdAt":"2025-07-04 06:37:55.427671","updatedAt":"2025-07-04 06:37:55.427671","replyToPostNumber":null,"replyCount":2,"likeCount":0,"wordCount":99,"liked":false,"bookmarked":false,"polls":[],"reactions":[],"wiki":false,"version":1,"publicVersion":1,"deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"user":{"id":4668,"username":"IO","name":null,"avatarUrl":null,"admin":true,"moderator":false,"signatureRaw":"","signatureCooked":null}},{"id":59546,"postNumber":172,"raw":"政治上划分左右毫无意义，这俩批人脑子里只有“谁剥削谁”这类问题，主义和黑话理论再复杂，行为上就是互相掠夺，搞破坏。\n\n当然搞破坏也能打破均衡态，“未来的理想生活”\n\n---\n\n这个世界还在发展，说明还是有人去真正拓宽文明边界的，真想改善人类，行为上应该去读好书，做好研究，而不是为剥削掠夺黑话添砖加瓦。","cooked":"

政治上划分左右毫无意义，这俩批人脑子里只有“谁剥削谁”这类问题，主义和黑话理论再复杂，行为上就是互相掠夺，搞破坏。

当然搞破坏也能打破均衡态，“未来的理想生活”

这个世界还在发展，说明还是有人去真正拓宽文明边界的，真想改善人类，行为上应该去读好书，做好研究，而不是为剥削掠夺黑话添砖加瓦。

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左左领奖的时候别带上我

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匿名用户不断尝试论证人类社会无可避免地走向崩溃，拒绝任何改善不平等的努力。然后在结尾处提出“世界在发展，有人在改善”，为这个比较幽默的论证画上了一个幽默的句号。

对不断推陈出新的立法、司法实践视而不见，认为政府调控、再分配的创新是在搞“大家长主义”。匿名用户提出的“拓展人类文明边界”的方法就是来一场大洪水，让所有“不那么幸运的人”都去死，然后自己当诺亚造方舟。

纳粹思想蒙蔽了双眼，果然没有爱就看不见现实。

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前面已经提到很多次，念剥削经搞内部破坏的才是 Nazi family

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论证人类社会无可避免地走向崩溃，拒绝任何改善不平等的努力
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自己当诺亚造方舟
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你可以先自洽一下吗，
\n先假设别人要躺平，骂一顿；又假设别人要建设，再骂一顿

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贫富分化，不意味着崩溃
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中美 gini coefficient 还没超过 40 呢就已经不稳定了，一边维持在 50 一边保持稳定是天方夜谭。半稳定点的质点只需轻轻扰动就会跌落到低势能的稳定点。

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科技巨头给我股份还是利润分红，还是交了很多税改善公共设施，还是把利润拿去搞慈善了，还是说全部变成自己资产用钱生钱去了，谁和谁是内部

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当然是在现有的游戏快崩盘时躺平，开启新一轮游戏时建设

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理论上没有任何证明基尼系数到哪个数字就会崩溃，和质点模型有啥关系。带来崩溃的是你借着“反剥削”旗号的破坏

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科技巨头给我股份还是利润分红
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人家为什么平白无故要给你股份，说到底你明面上怒骂剥削，又还是认可抢砸偷。
\n股票在公开市场可以自由买卖，你想要股份靠自己的光荣劳动去交换股份啊

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剥削就是在抢砸偷劳动成果

人民吃不上面包，国王又没禁止你们吃肉，何不食肉糜

房产在市场上公平售卖，为什么那么多人送外卖，而不是光荣地去买 10 套房子收租

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说过很多次了，氧气分子不懂得什么是剥削，剥削很大程度上是你对自然分布的结果臆想
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你再慷慨激昂，也只能更加慷慨激昂。生活在幻想里只会在幻想里成功，物理世界里掉入深渊。

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