{"topic":{"id":4856,"title":"一点点心路历程","slug":"topic","userId":1047,"categoryId":2,"createdAt":"2023-08-13 10:27:37.743883","bumpedAt":"2023-08-21 14:29:52.291784","views":484,"postsCount":7,"highestPostNumber":8,"likeCount":14,"closed":false,"pinned":false,"pinnedGlobally":false,"pinnedAt":null,"pinnedUntil":null,"isBanner":false,"excerpt":"最早，我个人倾向于不跟官方对接，保持独立管理，我认为把管理权交给学校纯粹是自讨死路，结局就像是兵马俑 BBS。永远不使用国产软件平台，原因请看 https://xjtu.app/t/topic/596/ 的讨论，简单来说寄生于国产软件服务注定很难有良好的用户体验，例如腾讯不分青红皂白认定 xjtu.app 为危险网站（https://xjtu.app/t/topic/1477）。所以我让加入的 mod 志愿者莫在社交软件上说自己是交大門…","deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"isPrivate":false,"isMembersOnly":false,"category":{"id":2,"name":"网站","slug":"website","color":"986a44"},"author":{"id":1047,"username":"anonymous_coward_old","name":"Anonymous Coward Old","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/43/32/4332638c11248b8ff07033c11de0759a55205facfbec85e14458245a91991faf.avif"},"realAuthor":{"id":1047,"username":"anonymous_coward_old","name":"Anonymous Coward Old","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/43/32/4332638c11248b8ff07033c11de0759a55205facfbec85e14458245a91991faf.avif"},"tags":[]},"posts":[{"id":9147,"postNumber":1,"raw":"最早，我个人倾向于不跟官方对接，保持独立管理，我认为把管理权交给学校纯粹是自讨死路，结局就像是兵马俑 BBS。永远不使用国产软件平台，原因请看 https://xjtu.app/t/topic/596/ 的讨论，简单来说寄生于国产软件服务注定很难有良好的用户体验，例如腾讯不分青红皂白认定 xjtu.app 为危险网站（https://xjtu.app/t/topic/1477）。所以我让加入的 mod 志愿者莫在社交软件上说自己是交大門的 mod，否则会引起不必要的麻烦。\n\n后来我觉得这样很难把网站发展壮大，虽然我不想通过建网站获得什么，但是作为用户，如果人多一点，用户体验会好一点。（https://xjtu.app/faq）所以我**幻想**能否通过什么机会，例如将网站作为一个创业项目，在学校层面进行推广。\n\n不过我在跟网络协会的同学聊天之后放弃了这个想法，他说他们早先也想做论坛，但是学校不允许。\n\n建站以来，随着热心門友在贴吧、知乎、腾讯群的热心转发，用户数量曲线有很多 spikes，活跃度也跌宕起伏：\n[quote=\"えしりなか，post:1, topic:4831\"]\n![num_registration](/uploads/image/8e/72/8e7271a7822c541979a890f0e1f3951adc78217f46b0a408e728897c25f231a0.avif)\n[/quote]\n\n我慢慢地已经对用户数量和活跃度变得淡然，只是有时候会*遗憾*我交学生的信息素养：在信息时代，信息获取/检索能力可以影响到一个人的命运，乃至学校的命运。这条回复讲得蛮好的：\n[quote=\"anonymous_coward_old, post:8, topic:4723, full:true\"]\n你交也有今天，和你交极度不重视学生角色的用户体验有莫大关系。某种程度上校内 BBS 的繁荣反映了学生的精神状态：十几年前交大还没式微，兵马俑 BBS 也很活跃；CC98 开了 17 年了*一直*活跃，说明浙大学生状态*一直*很好。不满周岁的交大門也没有兵马俑 BBS 的遗产可继承，现在的你交学生的信息获取能力和意识极差：不管什么事、反正各种群、表白墙这些嗯用。例如新生群里同样的问题反复问，早上的人问了，下午的人也不去**检索**，反正就嗯问，让别人重复劳动、浪费生命。也都自私自利得很，某些信息本应共享，但没人想着怎样沟通全校师生交流的渠道。直到站长建立了交大門。\n[/quote]\n\n我觉得**没有学校的推广和支持**（甚至在建站十几天的时候搞校园网 DNS poisoning），靠我一个人的力量可以保证网站的正常运行，需要其他人的力量才能让网站成为**真正便利信息**交流的利器。","cooked":"

最早，我个人倾向于不跟官方对接，保持独立管理，我认为把管理权交给学校纯粹是自讨死路，结局就像是兵马俑 BBS。永远不使用国产软件平台，原因请看一个老学长对西交校内论坛建设的碎碎念【祝网站越办越好~】的讨论，简单来说寄生于国产软件服务注定很难有良好的用户体验，例如腾讯不分青红皂白认定 xjtu.app 为危险网站（/t/topic/1477%EF%BC%89%E3%80%82%E6%89%80%E4%BB%A5%E6%88%91%E8%AE%A9%E5%8A%A0%E5%85%A5%E7%9A%84 mod 志愿者莫在社交软件上说自己是交大門的 mod，否则会引起不必要的麻烦。

后来我觉得这样很难把网站发展壮大，虽然我不想通过建网站获得什么，但是作为用户，如果人多一点，用户体验会好一点。（/faq%EF%BC%89%E6%89%80%E4%BB%A5%E6%88%91**%E5%B9%BB%E6%83%B3**%E8%83%BD%E5%90%A6%E9%80%9A%E8%BF%87%E4%BB%80%E4%B9%88%E6%9C%BA%E4%BC%9A%EF%BC%8C%E4%BE%8B%E5%A6%82%E5%B0%86%E7%BD%91%E7%AB%99%E4%BD%9C%E4%B8%BA%E4%B8%80%E4%B8%AA%E5%88%9B%E4%B8%9A%E9%A1%B9%E7%9B%AE%EF%BC%8C%E5%9C%A8%E5%AD%A6%E6%A0%A1%E5%B1%82%E9%9D%A2%E8%BF%9B%E8%A1%8C%E6%8E%A8%E5%B9%BF%E3%80%82

不过我在跟网络协会的同学聊天之后放弃了这个想法，他说他们早先也想做论坛，但是学校不允许。

建站以来，随着热心門友在贴吧、知乎、腾讯群的热心转发，用户数量曲线有很多 spikes，活跃度也跌宕起伏：

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我慢慢地已经对用户数量和活跃度变得淡然，只是有时候会遗憾我交学生的信息素养：在信息时代，信息获取/检索能力可以影响到一个人的命运，乃至学校的命运。这条回复讲得蛮好的：

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你交也有今天，和你交极度不重视学生角色的用户体验有莫大关系。某种程度上校内 BBS 的繁荣反映了学生的精神状态：十几年前交大还没式微，兵马俑 BBS 也很活跃；CC98 开了 17 年了一直活跃，说明浙大学生状态一直很好。不满周岁的交大門也没有兵马俑 BBS 的遗产可继承，现在的你交学生的信息获取能力和意识极差：不管什么事、反正各种群、表白墙这些嗯用。例如新生群里同样的问题反复问，早上的人问了，下午的人也不去检索，反正就嗯问，让别人重复劳动、浪费生命。也都自私自利得很，某些信息本应共享，但没人想着怎样沟通全校师生交流的渠道。直到站长建立了交大門。
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我觉得没有学校的推广和支持（甚至在建站十几天的时候搞校园网 DNS poisoning），靠我一个人的力量可以保证网站的正常运行，需要其他人的力量才能让网站成为真正便利信息交流的利器。

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admin 也水贴是吧

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放下助人情结，尊重他人命运

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admin 很强了 🙏我也认为找官方对接会是一个扩大的好方案，也曾一直疑惑为什么网管协会不搞一个，原来是学校层面的不支持。

不得不说学校十分短视，像浙大上交都能以比较开放的姿态建立校内信息沟通渠道，差距就这样形成了。校园论坛是一个良好的精神文明构建窗口，也是同学对学校产生归属感的一个重要渠道，而这些都没了。

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我感觉学校的上层会支持，但是传话层也即行政人员由于懒政、怠政、胆小、短视，要么没传上去、要么传歪了、要么妖言蛊惑上级。
\n我相信上面的政策是好的，就是下面的人执行歪了。听了那么多次小宝校长的讲话，我相信假如真的由他来做决策，一定会支持校园论坛的建设。

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放下助人情结，尊重他人命运

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这起码也是个彼得帕克

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