{"topic":{"id":6560,"title":"如何评价清北歧视内幕","slug":"topic","userId":1047,"categoryId":4,"createdAt":"2023-10-18 04:34:17.676532","bumpedAt":"2023-10-19 04:30:21.059157","views":624,"postsCount":11,"highestPostNumber":11,"likeCount":7,"closed":false,"pinned":false,"pinnedGlobally":false,"pinnedAt":null,"pinnedUntil":null,"isBanner":false,"excerpt":"清华发明“土著”这个词就是专门当作歧视用的，还有“几字班”的称呼，也有区分土著非土著的功能。土著这个词很有韵味，言外之意，只有本科生才是真正的主人。在清北鹊桥版面征友，土著是一个重要指标。外校考来的要低一等。一般外校学生是不太可能跨越这个恋爱屏障的。相比之下，其他学校这种现象少很多。除了同学歧视，老师带头歧视。其他学校老师歧视外校研究生，往往是基于一些表现。清华的老师歧视外校学生，往往基于身份。虽然大部分教授口中声称只看能力，不看出身，…","deletedAt":null,"isAnonymous":false,"isPrivate":false,"isMembersOnly":false,"category":{"id":4,"name":"谈笑风生","slug":"general","color":"25AAE2"},"author":{"id":1047,"username":"anonymous_coward_old","name":"Anonymous Coward Old","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/43/32/4332638c11248b8ff07033c11de0759a55205facfbec85e14458245a91991faf.avif"},"realAuthor":{"id":1047,"username":"anonymous_coward_old","name":"Anonymous Coward Old","avatarUrl":"/uploads/image/43/32/4332638c11248b8ff07033c11de0759a55205facfbec85e14458245a91991faf.avif"},"tags":[]},"posts":[{"id":14121,"postNumber":1,"raw":"清华发明“土著”这个词就是专门当作歧视用的，还有“几字班”的称呼，也有区分土著非土著的功能。土著这个词很有韵味，言外之意，只有本科生才是真正的主人。在清北鹊桥版面征友，土著是一个重要指标。外校考来的要低一等。一般外校学生是不太可能跨越这个恋爱屏障的。相比之下，其他学校这种现象少很多。除了同学歧视，老师带头歧视。其他学校老师歧视外校研究生，往往是基于一些表现。清华的老师歧视外校学生，往往基于身份。虽然大部分教授口中声称只看能力，不看出身，可教授往往是校际歧视背后的真正助推者。教授偏爱本校学生，并不在于他们是最聪明的，而在于他们是自己培养的，比外校其他教授培养的要好。不仅老师歧视，校友会也带头歧视。校友会聚会喜欢以字班来分组，最多有五个字班，这种做法号称是清华传统，响应“健康工作五十年”。更有甚者，清华校友会甚至把这个当作“暗号”，跟座山雕的“天王盖地虎”一样，对不上暗号，就算不得校友。清华校友会网上有篇文章叫做《见面先对“暗号”：你是“几字班”的？》， “我们清华有个‘暗号’，从来不说自己是哪一级哪一届的，遇见校友都问你是‘几字班’的。聚会刚开始，大家便先对暗号，自报家门\"。暗号这个词非常有韵味，众所周知，暗号是区别内人和外人用的，是针对听不懂的人而言的。清华不需要跟北大校友对暗号，因为北大校友不会出现在清华校友聚会上。这个暗号只有对外校研究生和其他校友而言，有点让外校研究生校友出丑的感觉：你来参加校友聚会，但是对不上暗号。相比于北大来说，以“厚德载物”为校训的清华还有一个习惯，就是喜欢报复学生原所在学校。长沙某知名中学学生接受清华通知书之后违约，该中学次年的强基计划全部落选，包括物理决赛金牌得主。报复中学就算了，连兄弟 985 院校都敢报复。若是某本科生保研违约，该学生所在大学或专业几年之内将被清华封杀。甚至读研期间中途出国，该学生原所在大学都会受影响。足见清华给研究生贴原籍大学标签的行为多么严重，也足以证明清华是区别对待本校和外校研究生的。在清华看来，即使读了研究生，你仍是原大学的学生，你犯的错，都要由你原大学承担一 (大) 部分。请注意，歧视是基于身份，而非基于能力。我看到有回答说“清华北大土著应该没那么注重出身，而更看重个人能力”。我不同意。首先，通过入学考试，被录取为研究生，本身就是能力的体现。能力已经等同于那些土著了，用不着额外再证明能力。其次，一个显而易见的道理：清本的录取标准随时间差异是很大的。例如 2008 年之前和 2020 年之后，清华录取的主流是高考生，但是 2010 年前后，清华录取的主流是竞赛生。很多竞赛生竞赛获得省一等奖，而高考仅仅过了一本线就被清华自招录取。而这些学生在 2020 年之后是绝无可能进入清华的。这说明清华本科并不是由同一类人稳定组成的，能力高低的标准也在变化。而这种歧视却没有反映这种变化，显而易见，歧视跟招生方式并无关系，跟所谓“能力”也没啥关系，只跟身份有关。再次，在研究生阶段，展示能力也需要导师提供机会，不是你想展示就能展示的。做实验的，如果导师都不给你实验室钥匙或者试剂，你到街上展示吗？而导师往往基于上述歧视，会给土著更多机会。对于大部分普通人来说，没有展示能力的机会，就等于没有能力，都是相辅相成的，不是闭门造车，空中楼阁。外校考来的研究生，受到学校上下多重歧视，这样的环境，容易展示能力吗？\r\n转自知乎","cooked":"

清华发明“土著”这个词就是专门当作歧视用的，还有“几字班”的称呼，也有区分土著非土著的功能。土著这个词很有韵味，言外之意，只有本科生才是真正的主人。在清北鹊桥版面征友，土著是一个重要指标。外校考来的要低一等。一般外校学生是不太可能跨越这个恋爱屏障的。相比之下，其他学校这种现象少很多。除了同学歧视，老师带头歧视。其他学校老师歧视外校研究生，往往是基于一些表现。清华的老师歧视外校学生，往往基于身份。虽然大部分教授口中声称只看能力，不看出身，可教授往往是校际歧视背后的真正助推者。教授偏爱本校学生，并不在于他们是最聪明的，而在于他们是自己培养的，比外校其他教授培养的要好。不仅老师歧视，校友会也带头歧视。校友会聚会喜欢以字班来分组，最多有五个字班，这种做法号称是清华传统，响应“健康工作五十年”。更有甚者，清华校友会甚至把这个当作“暗号”，跟座山雕的“天王盖地虎”一样，对不上暗号，就算不得校友。清华校友会网上有篇文章叫做《见面先对“暗号”：你是“几字班”的？》， “我们清华有个‘暗号’，从来不说自己是哪一级哪一届的，遇见校友都问你是‘几字班’的。聚会刚开始，大家便先对暗号，自报家门\"。暗号这个词非常有韵味，众所周知，暗号是区别内人和外人用的，是针对听不懂的人而言的。清华不需要跟北大校友对暗号，因为北大校友不会出现在清华校友聚会上。这个暗号只有对外校研究生和其他校友而言，有点让外校研究生校友出丑的感觉：你来参加校友聚会，但是对不上暗号。相比于北大来说，以“厚德载物”为校训的清华还有一个习惯，就是喜欢报复学生原所在学校。长沙某知名中学学生接受清华通知书之后违约，该中学次年的强基计划全部落选，包括物理决赛金牌得主。报复中学就算了，连兄弟 985 院校都敢报复。若是某本科生保研违约，该学生所在大学或专业几年之内将被清华封杀。甚至读研期间中途出国，该学生原所在大学都会受影响。足见清华给研究生贴原籍大学标签的行为多么严重，也足以证明清华是区别对待本校和外校研究生的。在清华看来，即使读了研究生，你仍是原大学的学生，你犯的错，都要由你原大学承担一 (大) 部分。请注意，歧视是基于身份，而非基于能力。我看到有回答说“清华北大土著应该没那么注重出身，而更看重个人能力”。我不同意。首先，通过入学考试，被录取为研究生，本身就是能力的体现。能力已经等同于那些土著了，用不着额外再证明能力。其次，一个显而易见的道理：清本的录取标准随时间差异是很大的。例如 2008 年之前和 2020 年之后，清华录取的主流是高考生，但是 2010 年前后，清华录取的主流是竞赛生。很多竞赛生竞赛获得省一等奖，而高考仅仅过了一本线就被清华自招录取。而这些学生在 2020 年之后是绝无可能进入清华的。这说明清华本科并不是由同一类人稳定组成的，能力高低的标准也在变化。而这种歧视却没有反映这种变化，显而易见，歧视跟招生方式并无关系，跟所谓“能力”也没啥关系，只跟身份有关。再次，在研究生阶段，展示能力也需要导师提供机会，不是你想展示就能展示的。做实验的，如果导师都不给你实验室钥匙或者试剂，你到街上展示吗？而导师往往基于上述歧视，会给土著更多机会。对于大部分普通人来说，没有展示能力的机会，就等于没有能力，都是相辅相成的，不是闭门造车，空中楼阁。外校考来的研究生，受到学校上下多重歧视，这样的环境，容易展示能力吗？
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这个世界就是不公平的。You have to deal with it

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他歧视他的，关我什么鸟事？

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这东西在西交不也很常见，一句你什么书院的，直接连接起本校学生的身份。所以十分建议保研考研留本校（雾

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毕业后我从未问过校友你是什么书院的，听起来就很憨

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哪有那么严重，你真的跟清北的人聊过天吗

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清华，是你一生的骄傲

仅限本科生录取通知书

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